Posted on 12/12/2007 10:55:39 AM PST by Brainhose
Mike Huckabee attacks a fellow Republican on his religion, not only breaking Reagan's 11th commandment, but also showing a stunning level of bigotry often displayed by so called believers in the bible.
I am a religious person who believes in Christ as my savior even though I will not join any organized religion.
I was raised a Northern Baptist, but have both Catholics and Mormons and Protestants in my family.
Quite frankly Mr. Huckabee makes me want to puke when he states that; "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers?"
If he shows his kisser in Southern NH before the primary I'll be out there with a sign protesting this hateful turd. He is no better than those freaks who protest at our soldier's funerals.
There, I've said it let the flames begin.
Oh come on. If he had made the simple declarative statement that, “Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers,” he would have been attacked even more mercilessly.
Of course he would have. That would have been just as dumb as what he actually said (which was both dumb and disingenuous).
The only smart response is to follow Reagan's 11th Commandment and say "It isn't my role to question the faith of my fellow Republican candidate" or something like that.
Mormonism is a sideshow here, distracting from the real issues. There are very real reasons to oppose Mitt's candidacy, most notably his stands on almost every issue up until last year. Picking on his faith ought to be out of bounds.
The 11th Commandment stated “Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.” It was not merely a matter of questioning someone’s faith. A question about the content of someone’s beliefs, whether about foreign policy, immigration, taxes or their personal faith, is not an attach on the person.
A good example of an attack on a person would be all the pejorative nicknames we find here about every candidate in the race. Some are funny, but some are seriously shameless such as the one that launched this thread by calling Huckabee a “shameless turd.”
You apparently didn't read my comments because I agree with that point.
That doesn't make Huckabee a bigot for expressing his beliefs on the topic, one that is consistent with his Christian views.
It's despicable that conservatives have to start falsely accusing others of being bigots. There is nothing bigoted about his views on the topic even if they qualify as a politically stupid.
“I really don’t understand how it is possible to say that the facts are out of context since we have not seen the full article yet.”
The facts are out of a context of christian theology which I am sure Huckster with his theology degree knows all to well including its Mormon aspects. Most christians believe in the trinity with the father, son and holy ghost having a oneness and yet 3 distinct “persons”. Mormons believe in something different with the trinity being more associated with a singleness that other trinitarians don’t agree. The doctrine allows them to see all people as children of god as opposed to other christians who see christ as god’s “only begotten son”. This difference leaves a door open to people who want to attack Mormonism on the grounds that both christ and the devil are children of god and therefore brothers. Huckster KNOWS this. It was sleaze for him to toss it out there one as a question and two for doing it at all. It will backfire.
That’s what I was hoping for.
I like to fire things up and open discussions. It let us know who the bigots and haters among us are.
In the long run who cares what Religious sect someone belongs to?
The answer is only vacant minded morons care.
If I were drowning I would not accept a hand from Osama Bin Laden, but I would accept a hand from one of my Islamic friends as well as a Mormon, Baptist or Catholic.
It is damned time for a whole bunch of closed minded people amongst us to lay aside the differences between free-thinking Religious sects and realize that all people, together, in this, the greatest country ever in the history of Earth have to unite and defeat the forces of Evil embodied by the likes of the modern democrat party and their brothers; the Islamo-Fascists.
It is plainly obvious that we can no longer rely on the support of the European community as they have become too infested by the politically correct thinking which has been creeping into the USA ever since the establishment of the ACLU.
The fact that I am now being attacked by a Huckabee bum kisser for posting a “Vanity Thread” which may say something about his own self-anointed president “makes my heart feel like a lion”
I suggest that KevMo & Tlaloc concentrate on their own lives more than the number of replies they get to “Their Thread”
The 11th Commandment stated “Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.” It was not merely a matter of questioning someone’s faith. A question about the content of someone’s beliefs, whether about foreign policy, immigration, taxes or their personal faith, is not an attach on the person.
Reagan's 11th Commandment specifically left his opponent's faith off the table.
It means "stick to the issues." You can attack a rival mercilessly on his policy, but not on his personal life.
These attacks on Romney are as silly as they are needless - we don't need to invent reasons to oppose Romney, he's given us plenty. But Huck, through his disingenuous attack, has given us yet another reason to oppose him as well.
“Just for the record, Mormons also believe that Jesus is God’s only begotten son but they add the very interesting qualifier, “in the flesh.”
Truth be told, I have never fully wrapped my own mind around the whole trinity thing even though I was brought up and reasonably well schooled in my protestant faith. To me the ins and outs of the trinity are up there with how many angels can dance on the head of pin. I don’t know about you but the mormon “qualifier” about “in the flesh” holds very little import for me.
A sneak. A fraud. A liar. A Clinton Clone.
Shame Shame on the Preacher from Hope.
I concur w/ your Huckabee comments, but I am wondering whether you think Christ established a disorganized religion?
Maybe you’ll find that your perspective will improve once you add more bran to your diet.
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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts
Reagan was really clear: you don’t question another Republican’s faith or family. That’s what he meant by the 11th Commandment. I think it’s a good policy.
Especially when there’s no need - Romney gives us so many reasons to attack him on the issues.
Thats where having the courage to state what one believes comes into play. Its part of the socratic method. Make a statement and then support it. Huckster didn’t even have the courage to make a statement so he is definitely not engaging in anything other the cowardly disengenousness.
“My question remains: Why is Mormonism given the same protected status as Islam? We can ask serious questions about an evangelical’s faith, but a question about the content of a Mormon’s faith is apparently off-limits.”
Now you are being disingenuous. You want to attack Romney by attacking Mormonism. Mormonism doesn’t have any protected status but all candidates should be judged on their actions, not the faith they adhere to. I have yet to see ONE article that points out the unique “mormoness” of Romney’s tenure as governor.
“There are legitimate criticisms of Huckabee. This isn’t one of them. The Book of Mormon and teachings of Joseph Smith contradict the Bible. No Bible-believing Christian could possible except either as legitimate.”
Hey unless you are an episcopalian, I am pretty positive YOU are going to hell for not embracing the one true faith. But I won’t hold it against you as a person.
>>“I really don’t understand how it is possible to say that the facts are out of context since we have not seen the full article yet.”
Several thoughts...
1. Is it really true that we have not seen the whole article but that the author leaked this one line? That would make me reluctant to judge the interviewee completely no matter who he is.
2. The trinity. I’ve read my Bible. I’ve taught Bible. I was even pulled out of the science department at a Jewish owned school to create a religion class with the instructions that the credits had to be transferable to both Christian and Jewish schools and I come from a long line of Baptist preachers... and I have never gotten that God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus - who I believe is the Son and the prophesied Messiah, are exactly equivalent.
So I’d have a hard time condemning someone who believes in God and asks forgiveness in Jesus’ name because they are unsure of or disagree on the exact relationship between God, his Son and the Holy Spirit.
3. Its so much better to criticize the opponent on issues and without using exaggerated inflammatory language. I learned this lesson from George Bush41. He really should have criticized Ronald Reagan’s plans without calling it “Voodoo Economics” - not only does such language make it harder to work with both the man and his supporters but it makes the speaker look weak when he has to back off or reverse in order to cooperate later.
The man should know his own religion like the back of his hand..since he IS an ordained minister.
But hey, Mike never means what he says..yuk, yuk.
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>>When the Huckster was interviewed about this today..he told Wolf Blitzer that he knows nothing about the Morman religion and BARELY knows that much about his own, the Baptist.<<
Oh come on... that just wouldn’t be believable... are you sure you got essence of the quote right?
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