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Police Cite 'Air of Vigilantism' in Response to Girl's Suicide
ABC News ^ | Nov. 20, 2007 | SCOTT MICHELS

Posted on 11/21/2007 9:26:06 AM PST by Between the Lines

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To: heartwood

You never know how unstable a person you are posting to may be.


41 posted on 11/21/2007 10:30:34 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Badeye

“I don’t see how you can make that particular prediction about not making it through highschool based on whats available publicly. Millions of others have, many with much worse problems than this girl.”

Exactly. Those millions didn’t kill themselves the first time somebody called them names.

“I disagree with your first assertion, and no way you can convince me this wasn’t not only ‘harrassment’ but also ‘stalking’.”

No way. You can’t invite someone in your home and complain that they are harassing or stalking you. Having that user on her friend’s list is an invite. The fact remains that she could have easily blocked all correspondence from the user if she had wanted to.

“A child, age 14, being approached under false pretense by an adult is what this is all about. Not the child, nor the child’s actions.”

Where is the proof of that? It is my understanding is that it was the adult’s idea but the daughter did the messaging. You have any proof that an adult approached this child? If so, how many messages would constitute harassment? One? It appears the kid made NO attempts to break off correspondence so I’m having trouble seeing how that is stalking OR harassment.

Look, the kid was sick. She obviously had SERIOUS mental and emotional problems if some person she knew online for a month was cause enough for her to kill herself.


42 posted on 11/21/2007 10:31:26 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: L98Fiero
So calling somone names under a fake moniker is illegal? Goodbye internet.

Goodby telephone too. That is also criminal.

43 posted on 11/21/2007 10:31:59 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: L98Fiero

The kid was a kid. With all that entails.

The adults that did this to her are the problem. That you don’t see this clearly is mindboggling to me.

A little girl is dead today, and you choose to defend the actions of the ADULTS in this matter?

Wow.

Lets not continue this discussion, okay? It won’t end well for either of us.


44 posted on 11/21/2007 10:33:30 AM PST by Badeye (That Karma thing keeps coming around, eh Sally? (chuckle))
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To: Between the Lines
MYSpace is not a safe “playground” for 13-year-old girls, at least without close parental oversight. There are places in town we don’t allow our daughter to go without a trusted adult nearby. MySpace is one of them.
45 posted on 11/21/2007 10:34:07 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: L98Fiero

“The world would be a better place without you.”

They pushed her over the edge. Just as the government military pushed David Koresh over the edge.

Cops don’t dare a man with a gun to his head to pull the trigger. They wait for him to point the gun at them and then carry out his wishes.


46 posted on 11/21/2007 10:34:18 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: brytlea

They are however more dangerous because of their increase in knowledge but still trapped in their juvenile mindset. Also their adult guise tricks people into thinking they are indeed matured so they can be even more insidious.


47 posted on 11/21/2007 10:34:23 AM PST by Xenophon450 (They say it's lonely at the top, then I am as lonely as can be.)
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To: trumandogz

There’s a “reasonable” person standard. A reasonable person wouldn’t expect a single hurtful accusation to send someone over the edge. A reasonable person would expect that what was done to this girl in these circumstances had a significant chance of causing serious harm.


48 posted on 11/21/2007 10:34:35 AM PST by heartwood
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To: riverdawg

The dead girl’s parents had the password for her account and would not let her log on without them granting the access.


49 posted on 11/21/2007 10:35:12 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: L98Fiero
So calling somone names under a fake moniker is illegal? Goodbye internet.

It is currently against federal law to post annoying Web messages or send annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.

http://www.news.com/Create-an-e-annoyance,-go-to-jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html

50 posted on 11/21/2007 10:36:03 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: L98Fiero

Exactly!

And these people knew her and KNEW how fragile she was. They were neighbors, pseudo friends to her parents. Again, they KNEW her. She wasn’t a stranger. They did it to ‘help’ their daughter spy on a girl she was, what, jealous of?

Heck, even I know that all I have to do to bring one of my 17 year old students to tears is to say something negative about them to their faces. The hormones, chemical and physical changes make this an extremely volital time for even the mentally healthiest of children. Yeah, they need to ‘toughen up’ to a degree, but kindness on my part only makes me better and doesn’t harm them.

So I have no pity for the scum who hurt this girl.


51 posted on 11/21/2007 10:37:38 AM PST by najida ("Will you dance at my birthday party?")
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To: samson1097

Thanks for the info!


52 posted on 11/21/2007 10:38:25 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: weegee
Are you implying that the dead girl’s parents knew what was going on for months and still let her log on to her MySpace account? If that’s true, then the girl’s parents failed her as well.
53 posted on 11/21/2007 10:38:28 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: Between the Lines
Thanks for the correction. I have to wonder if ABC did this intentionally to protect themselves from any liability.

More likely the anointed at ABC think all flyover country is the same.

54 posted on 11/21/2007 10:39:15 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Badeye
A child, age 14, being approached under false pretense by an adult with the intent to harass and cause mental distress is what this is all about. Not the child, nor the child’s actions.
55 posted on 11/21/2007 10:41:35 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: riverdawg
They knew that she was chatting with a cute boy who liked her. Nothing sexual, but more, well, a 13 year old crush on a cute boy.

And with a poor self-esteem, here is someone out of the blue who thinks you’re neat! Special! Wonderful! When you are at your most awkward, self-conscious, “the whole world is looking at me and laughing” age. I can nearly feel how happy and special she must have felt at first. Probably that's why her parents were OK with it....they saw the positive effects.

Then all of a sudden, this person turns on you. Heck, if I wanted to kill a depressed child, I couldn’t come up with a better formula.

56 posted on 11/21/2007 10:43:49 AM PST by najida ("Will you dance at my birthday party?")
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To: L98Fiero
You can’t invite someone in your home and complain that they are harassing or stalking you. Having that user on her friend’s list is an invite.

It was a teenage boy that was invited in, not an adult intent of harassment.

57 posted on 11/21/2007 10:46:46 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Bruinator

What happens when narcissism is taken to an extreme. Call me a simpleton, but I believe that Evil exists in the world.

There is no point in explaining or trying to understand. IMO one must simply protect oneself and loved ones, physically and spirtually, from people who have succumb to pure evil.


58 posted on 11/21/2007 10:47:03 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: najida
“They knew she was chatting with a cute boy who liked her.”

They “knew” nothing of the sort. That’s my point about MySpace and 13-year-old girls.

59 posted on 11/21/2007 10:47:41 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: Between the Lines

Children shouldn’t be allowed to use the internet.


60 posted on 11/21/2007 10:48:30 AM PST by Age of Reason
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