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To: GodGunsGuts
Ben Stein? Nice to know your bringing out the big guns; like an Al Frankin supporter, and lawyer. He sets up so many strawmen and false dichotomies in the beginning how am I supposed to believe it is anything but propaganda?

“everyone is in on it”
“mud animated by lightning”
“believe in God creating the universe or the universe and life are from totally random forces”
“they are hiding something”
“warn others before it is too late”
‘this information is dangerous! leave right now!’
“FIGHT THIS BATTLE? ANYONE? ANYONE? Beuler?”

What a sensationalist piece of garbage. A “Bowling for Columbine” for the Cre/I.D. credulous.

183 posted on 11/28/2007 6:40:07 PM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD (Hunter 08))
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To: allmendream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBt1ZIwGQ1Q&feature=related

Politicians imposing doctrine on Science class, and burning murals that depict ideas they do not like, and then perjuring themselves under oath, and offering a Creationist book where ‘Creationism’ and ‘Intelligent Design’ were swapped out. And putting this to a stop, and voting these people out of office is being part of the ‘Church of Darwin’? What a crock.

184 posted on 11/28/2007 6:50:26 PM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD (Hunter 08))
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To: allmendream

I will let the movie speak for itself. Can’t wait to go see it! But I couldn’t resist your equation of Ben Stein’s “mud animated by lightning” comment with “sensationalist garbage.” Behold the words of your fearless leaders...LOL!:

“It is often said that all the conditions for the first production of a living organism are now present, which could ever have been present. But if (and oh! what a big if!) we could conceive in some warm little pond, with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, light, heat, electricity, &c., present, that a proteine (sic) compound was chemically formed ready to undergo still more complex changes, at the present day such matter would be instantly absorbed, which would not have been the case before living creatures were found.”

—Charles Darwin, Letter to J.D. Hooker Febuary 1, 1871

“...We go to a chemist and say...fill your head with formulae, and your flasks with methane and ammonia and hydrogen and carbon dioxide and all the other gases that a primeval nonliving planet can be expected to have; cook them all up together; pass strokes of lightning through your simulated atmospheres, and strokes of inspiration through your brain; bring all your clever chemist’s methods to bear, and give us your best chemist’s estimate of the probability that a typical planet will spontaneously generate a self-replicating molecule. Or, to put it another way, how long would we have to wait before random chemical events on the planet, random thermal jostling of atoms and molecules, resulted in a self- replicating molecule? ... we’d have to wait a long time by the standards of a human lifetime, but perhaps not all that long by the standards of cosmological time....even if the chemist said that we’d have to wait for a “miracle”, have to wait a billion years - far longer than the universe has existed, we can still accept this verdict with equanimity. There are probably more than a billion available planets in the universe. If each of them lasts as long as Earth, that gives us about a billion planet-years to play with. That will do nicely! A miracle is translated into practical politics by a multiplication sum.”

—Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker


185 posted on 11/28/2007 8:08:10 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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