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Earliest Scots Braved Ice Age Conditions
Discovery.com ^ | 10-05-07 | Jennifer Viegas

Posted on 10/18/2007 3:57:59 AM PDT by Renfield

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To: blam

So did R1b settle Britain?


21 posted on 10/18/2007 4:26:41 PM PDT by rdl6989
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"So did R1b settle Britain?"

YES!

90% of the Irish are R1b as are 68% of all other Europeans. The female (mtDNA) equivalent is haplogroup 'H'.

My yDNA (Male) is R1b with a DYS390-23 which indicates that I am a Dane-Saxon-Viking variety. My mtDNA(female) is 'V' which are the Sa'ami (reindeer herders - Laplanders) from northern Finland....the Sa'ami part was a big suprise, lol.

22 posted on 10/18/2007 7:36:42 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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Descendant Of Stone Age Skeleton Found (Cheddar Man - 9,000 Years Old)"

Cheddar Man has mtDNA U5a as does my dad's mother (Mrs Smith).

23 posted on 10/18/2007 7:44:00 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

Looking at that map with all the arrows pointing to the frozen north, I have to wonder....there must have been some really bad mothers chasing after them.


24 posted on 10/18/2007 9:21:02 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: blam

Hubby’s maternal line is a real mutt mix: Saami, Swedish, Scots, English, German...

A bunch of the settlers who settled what was then New Sweden were Saami...the Swedish government was dragging anybody and everybody who gave them a reason to be considered non-desirable and sending them off to North America - where they were re-abused by the colonial government. Husband’s ancestral family sold Penn the land for Philadelphia.


25 posted on 10/19/2007 9:28:54 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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Yup, and after Penn bought the land and started bringing English Quakers, even the Lutherans in the former Nieuwe Sverge colony began complaining "back home". New, tougher Lutheran ministers were sent out to whip the Quakers into line so they would no longer bother the Swedes, Finns and Sa'ami who made up the colony.

They weren't tough enough ~ so the colony relocated to York County PA, abandoning even Elkton Maryland.

The not-so-tough ministers went back home and in short order the old Sa'ami gods (Little Red Man, Herb Woman, and the ever present Reindeer Man) were inflicted on American culture and the rest is history.

The Swedes continued to bring Sa'ami to America over the next century until the great famines and then half the Swedes themselves left the old world to settle the Northern Midwest.

I've found what I believe to be a strong remnant of the first Scandinavian colonists (from the 1600s) in Southern Indiana. They seem to be predominantly Sa'ami. At the same time I've found the traces of a number of Swedish lords and magnates who abandoned Finland about 1809 and moved into the same area with the Sa'ami and other Finns.

Nearby Indiana University is the only school in North America that regularly provides instruction in the Sa'ami languages ~ which I think is strictly coincidental!

26 posted on 10/19/2007 4:18:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam
To be quite objective about it, most of the Sa'ami descendants in America derive from two tribes ~ the Inari and the Skolt ~ which are now the SMALLEST Sa'ami tribes left in Fenno-Scandia.

They've been getting themselves dragged out of Finland, Russia and Norway for 3 centuries now. In America they are usually mistaken for mere Finns, or even Russians ~ (oh the horror).

27 posted on 10/19/2007 4:22:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Knitting A Conundrum; blam
Reading through the Indiana Census of 1807 today (which is when the first Scanderhoovians and Pennsylvania Scanderhoovians began arriving in Southern Indiana, I also found what I take to be the "13th Warrior" ~ that is, a Turk or an unrepentent Finn.

More on this later. I'd never studied Scanderhoovians until recently so I'm looking at this census with new eyes.

28 posted on 10/19/2007 4:32:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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"More on this later. I'd never studied Scanderhoovians until recently so I'm looking at this census with new eyes."

Keep up the good work and keep us informed on your findings.

29 posted on 10/19/2007 6:38:46 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: muawiyah

Hubby’s folks ended up in Berks County before his line of them moved on to the Carolinas. There’s a lot of interesting things that happened in the early settlement that just doesn’t get talked about much, but is interesting!


30 posted on 10/20/2007 1:17:06 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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