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Kaspersky Can Call Your Crap Spyware Anything They Like
Broadband Reports.com ^ | 30 August 2007 | Karl

Posted on 08/30/2007 3:15:21 PM PDT by ShadowAce

For many years, we've written some highly critical reports about Spyware vendors, some of whom would then e-mail us asking us to stop referring to their product as Spyware. Claria Corporation was perhaps the worst offender in this regard, threatening to sue anyone (AV Vendors or the press) who called their Gator spyware what it actually was.

It has all been part of a massive attempt by the spyware industry to hoist some kind of pseudo-legitimacy on a sector that spent almost a decade trampling user rights and privacy. As part of this push, Zango (formerly 180Solutions) recently sued Kaspersky over using the Spyware tag, but a court has dismissed the lawsuit:

"In the latest ruling on one of these cases (in which Zango sued Kaspersky), the ruling makes it clear we already have such a law on the books. The judge dismissed the lawsuit, noting that security firms have every right to label software as they see fit, citing part of section 230 of the Communications Decency Act."
Specifically, the court ruled that AV companies are protected under statute 47 USC 230(c)(2), which defines the AV vendor as an interactive computer service provider and immune to such semantic lawsuits by the spy-infectious-disease-spew-ware industry.


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1 posted on 08/30/2007 3:15:24 PM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; ..

2 posted on 08/30/2007 3:15:38 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

If I recall, I had that stinking Zango virus on a machine I owned. It was ungodly the efforts I had to go through to get rid of that crummy thing. “Spyware” is being too kind. These people should be taken out and lynched.


3 posted on 08/30/2007 3:17:36 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

I left Windows well before spyware became the problem it is today. While I understand the immensity of this, I’ve never had to deal with it on a personal level.


4 posted on 08/30/2007 3:19:24 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: IronJack
I despise the people putting out this crap. Great that they suffered a legal setback, hope it becomes permanently codifed in the legal system. People putting out spyware garbage waste tremendous time and resources among all of us who are trying to keep their sewage off our computers!

"Zango complains that its software is not objectionable, and therefore the security providers cannot block it as objectionable. However, the court points out that the statute clearly says that it's for what the service provider finds objectionable. In other words, the content in question need not be "objectionable" at all -- it only matters what the service provider feels about it. This is a pretty strong endorsement for the idea that security companies absolutely can call software whatever they feel is appropriate."
5 posted on 08/30/2007 3:25:11 PM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: ShadowAce

47 USC 230(c)(2), which defines the AV vendor as an interactive computer service provider and immune to such semantic lawsuits by the spy-infectious-disease-spew-ware industry.

http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t45t48+1376+0++%28%29%20%20AND%20%28%2847%29%20ADJ%20USC%29%3ACITE%20AND%20%28USC%20w%2F10%20%28230%29%29%3ACITE%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20


6 posted on 08/30/2007 3:28:58 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: ShadowAce

bump


7 posted on 08/30/2007 3:31:18 PM PDT by VOA
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To: ShadowAce
Does anyone else think that the Real Audio player is spyware? There is something about it that I hate. Maybe I am off target.
8 posted on 08/30/2007 3:35:15 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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Oh, and BTW.....this one is a kick in the seat of the democrat pants, LOL

The Congress finds the following:

(3) The Internet and other interactive computer services offer a forum for a true diversity of political discourse, unique opportunities for cultural development, and myriad avenues for intellectual activity.

I believe the proper citation for this is:
47 USC 230 (a) (3)


9 posted on 08/30/2007 3:37:14 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Enchante

Spammers and spyware creators should be branded all over with American flags and Stars of David, then dropped into downtown Mecca.


10 posted on 08/30/2007 3:37:21 PM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Mark was here
Does anyone else think that the Real Audio player is spyware?

Spybot flags the cookies it generates.

11 posted on 08/30/2007 3:38:09 PM PDT by decimon
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To: ShadowAce
As part of this push, Zango (formerly 180Solutions) recently sued Kaspersky over using the Spyware tag, but a court has dismissed the lawsuit:

I had that one on my laptop. Could not get rid of it no matter what I did. Downloaded a removal tool and it would appear to be gone but would reinstall when I rebooted?

That company (Zango) should be sued!

12 posted on 08/30/2007 3:41:33 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: ShadowAce

BonziBuddy is Deeply Saddened.

13 posted on 08/30/2007 3:46:31 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: TruthWillWin

BUMP!


14 posted on 08/30/2007 3:47:43 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: martin_fierro

LOL!


15 posted on 08/30/2007 3:54:36 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Beee-yoooo-teee-ful


16 posted on 08/30/2007 3:57:15 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: martin_fierro

I’m the guy everyone calls to fix their computer. Many times I’ve wanted to kick Bonzi in the balls, but alas, he seems to have none.


17 posted on 08/30/2007 3:58:55 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: ShadowAce
Computer owners have the right to know what's running on their machine, and remove they don't want, absent specific contractual obligations otherwise. If a software company makes any deliberate efforts to prevent the owner of a computer from discovering or removing it, that would seem to be pretty strong prima facie evidence that its products are spyware or worse.

There are a few good reasons why a product may be deliberately made difficult to detect or remove. The owner of a computer may want to run software the users might not want, and he might want the software to be protected from those users. A piece of software that's required for some other piece of software to operate may reasonably include some measures to prevent accidental removal, though it allow an informed user to remove it and accept the consequences.

In general, though, a lot of the junk out there is very deliberately designed to infest the machines of people who either want it gone, or would want it gone if they knew of its existence. While I wouldn't want to throw somebody in jail because the "uninstaller" they wrote for their shareware application didn't clean up absolutely everything, I would see no problem with criminal laws that applied in cases of demonstrable intent.

18 posted on 08/30/2007 4:01:22 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Mark was here

Absolutely. Lots of spyware has functionality that many people might find useful; it’s the hook they use to get people to install it.

I’ve never had anything but grief with Real Media products. They are incredible resource hogs, buggy and crash-prone, and they do ‘’phone home’’ without asking or even telling you.


19 posted on 08/30/2007 4:20:58 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Turbopilot
I need to get a new computer, and stopped by Best Buy, they said for $150 they could take off Real and Norton. I told them they were crazy, they load the crap on the computer then want to charge to take it off, I said how about a clean system, they just looked at me like I was crazy, I just walked out.

One of these days I'll get off of win 98.

20 posted on 08/30/2007 4:30:47 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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