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To: Borges
I still stand by my advocacy of ST as a great satire.

Bender2 has driven a stake through that statement better than I ever could. :-)

"great"

Definitions: Very large in size; Larger in size than others of the same kind; Large in quantity or number; Extensive in time or distance; Remarkable or outstanding in magnitude, degree, or extent; Of outstanding significance or importance: "great work of art;" Chief or principal; Superior in quality or character; Noble; Powerful; Influential; Eminent; Distinguished; Grand; Aristocratic.

Nope, ST fits none of the above.

"satire"

Definition: A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.

Nope, ST lacks irony and wit of any sort...and simple derision of one's moral and intellectual betters does not constitute satire.

VerHoeven's claims that he makes satires must meet the reality test. Hey, I can claim to be the King of England...if I can get some people to agree with me, does that make it so? Or should people independently challenge my claim? Just because some film school monkeys echo VerHoeven's (and Neumeier's) claims that ST is a satire of fascism, and that it takes a special kind of intellect to appreciate his 'talents' ("Oh, duuuude, you don't see it? You're stupid, duuuude! He's a genius! Even has a degree in mathematics, duuuude!" -- this being an accurate rendition of things I've heard ST fanboys make), doesn't make it true in realityville.

Words have meanings, and consequences; they should be used wisely, and well.

151 posted on 08/31/2007 10:46:07 AM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Viking Kitties!)
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To: TrueKnightGalahad

Words can also be decosntructed as Verhoeven did in ST. BTW you’re comparing him to Ed Wood is amusing Wood was incompetent and had no feel for the medium, and Verhoeven has been praised by pictorial artists like Roy Lichtenstien for his precise eye for framing and Ken Russell called Robocop the best SF film since Metropolis.


155 posted on 08/31/2007 11:31:11 AM PDT by Borges
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