[Borges]

Verhoeven is a brilliant natural filmmaker. (He also has a Doctorate in Mathematics btw). ST is a satire just like Robocop is a satire. If you know hiw work at all its concerned with intimations of fascism and the loss of personal identity through subversiveness to any extreme form of law and order.

This is present in Robocop, Total Recall, Starship Troopers and his great recent Dutch film ‘Black Book’. ST is a send up of action movies and the way people respond to them. You have a bunch of indistinguishable Ayran-like goons fighting a bunch of indistinguishable giant spiders and the audience is left to rooting for human ciphers. By revealing that the whole thing was a fascist propaganda film was the sting in the tail.

[Bender2]

Re: Verhoeven is a brilliant natural filmmaker. (He also has a Doctorate in Mathematics btw). ST is a satire just like Robocop is a satire. If you know hiw work at all its concerned with intimations of fascism and the loss of personal identity through subversiveness to any extreme form of law and order.

This is present in Robocop, Total Recall, Starship Troopers and his great recent Dutch film ‘Black Book’. ST is a send up of action movies and the way people respond to them. You have a bunch of indistinguishable Ayran-like goons fighting a bunch of indistinguishable giant spiders and the audience is left to rooting for human ciphers. By revealing that the whole thing was a fascist propaganda film was the sting in the tail.

Hummmmmmmm... Let us go over this:

"...brilliant natural filmmaker...

"If you know hiw work at all its concerned with intimations of fascism and the loss of personal identity through subversiveness to any extreme form of law and order..."

"...send up of action movies and the way people respond to them. You have a bunch of indistinguishable Ayran-like goons fighting a bunch of indistinguishable giant spiders and the audience is left to rooting for human ciphers. By revealing that the whole thing was a fascist propaganda film was the sting in the tail..."

He did say... "...indistinguishable Ayran-like goons..." didn't he?

Am I the only one... who finds his skin crawling?

Good heavens, Borges... even I find that effete and snobbish to the max.

Really, Frasier... I thought it right on!

Borges, old sport... You need to step away from the Brie and Apple Martinis drunk with a pinky crinked...

Grab a beer... A smoke and some cotton candy.

And go fishing... with folks that work for a living and scratch when they itch.

Bender is right, Borges. Come as my guest... to the Naked Gun Film Festival.

But first, have three heaping bowls... to clean yourself out!

[allmendream]

So he took a brilliant book (Starship Troopers)with a brilliant political message of republican virtue and civic responsibility and turned it into an antifascist satire. And we are supposed to applaud this travesty? Not I.

[LexBaird]

ST is a satire just like Robocop is a satire. If you know hiw work at all its concerned with intimations of fascism and the loss of personal identity through subversiveness to any extreme form of law and order.

I think you should be a professional film critic. You are an almost perfect gauge. Everything you like, I despise.

Verhoeven is a ham fisted hack, with all the subtle undertones of the three stooges. He took the central message of one of the best SF books of all times, and stood it on its head to push a political "message" viewpoint that expired in 1968.

Gee, "fascism is bad". What a compelling and subversive message. Come on, Paul, rage against the machine. Next, how about another epic condemning the "military-industrial complex"? That would be a Hollywood mold breaker...