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Countrywide CEO sees recession ahead
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/countrywide_interview_dc;_ylt=AiUJCEnxvc_G7pCPLpJkIRSyBhIF ^ | 8-23-07 | Jonathan Stempel

Posted on 08/25/2007 5:59:22 AM PDT by Hydroshock

Edited on 08/25/2007 11:43:24 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Petronski

He did. I guess hydro’s reputation is spreading far and wide.


101 posted on 08/25/2007 2:41:59 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

As if carried far and wide on feathered wing!


102 posted on 08/25/2007 2:47:42 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: Hydroshock; M. Espinola; Calpernia

103 posted on 08/25/2007 2:56:26 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: ex-Texan

This crisis was planned and engineered by the experts. ‘Nuff said.


Uh, no.


104 posted on 08/25/2007 3:04:52 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Shhhh. Back away slowly. His meds ran out again.
105 posted on 08/25/2007 3:08:10 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: ex-Texan
Does that sound familiar to anyone ?

This is what happened to Japan.

106 posted on 08/25/2007 3:24:27 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (“Jesus Saves. Moses Delivers. Cthulu Reposesses...”)
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To: Petronski; ex-Texan

Ex-Texan has been right and is right about a lot of things, but the conspiracy angle is a little off base.

The book, Short History of Financial Euphoria by Galbraith is a good primer on what happened.


107 posted on 08/25/2007 3:26:44 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell; Hydroshock; Calpernia; M. Espinola; whitedog57
Wall Street Did It !

One could make a case that the biggest economic story of the last 10 years -- bigger than the dot-com or housing booms, bigger than their busts, perhaps even bigger than the extraordinary growth of the Chinese and Indian economies -- has been the astonishing growth of what is obscurely referred to as "structured finance," a crazy quilt of arcane derivatives and other "financial instruments" that have become the lifeblood of markets everywhere. * * *

The betting economy is the unreal economy. All those sports bets, no matter how kooky, are financial exercises whose value and meaning are derived from what happens on the field. Theoretically speaking, the betting economy exists in a separate dimension from the actual game, but we all know that's not true. There's so much money involved in gambling that the temptation to fix the results becomes irresistible. Players and referees, for instance, can be bribed.

We can call a bribed NBA official an example of "spillover" from the betting economy into the sports economy.

The very same thing happens in the real and unreal economies. So much money is riding on all the derivative bets connected to the housing sector that Wall Street speculators essentially rigged the housing sector to make their bets pay off. * * *

That's the beauty of the scheme. You take a bunch of bad loans and turn some of them into high-rated gold and some into lower-rated bronze. You sell the gold to the cautious and the bronze to the bold. If a few loans go kaput, the bronze investors suffer. If all the loans go kaput, everybody gets hurt. Unless there's a total financial meltdown, everyone is happily making money. Source Here

Hint: Bet rigging, like the creation of mortgage derivatives, requires careful planning.

This crisis did not happen by accident. Just like all those mortgage servicing scams. Just like abusive credit card billing practices. The illegal foreclosures that were taking place in 2003 were being planned as far back as 1995.

108 posted on 08/25/2007 3:36:34 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: ex-Texan

Working the system to make money regardless of long term consequences and planning a financial meltdown are still two different things.


109 posted on 08/25/2007 3:58:04 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell; Hydroshock; Calpernia; M. Espinola; whitedog57
Unintended consequences of a planned stratedy. Simple greed killed the goose. Everybody has been looking in the wrong direction. Just like no one really knows how many refs were taking bribes to throw BB games. Swiss banks accounts, yada yada. No one wants to know the details either.

Also consider this twist: All those mortgages sold on WS. Hundreds of thousands of them. How many were packaged and sold, then repackaged and resold, then resold, then resold again? There is a simple explanation for the mortgage servicing scam. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense. Why else prepare bogus records of 'late payments.' That is all I'm going to say here. Except Congress knows everything I know.

110 posted on 08/25/2007 4:20:29 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: durasell
Ex-Texan has been right and is right about a lot of things...

Like the economist who predicted thirteen of the last two recessions...

111 posted on 08/25/2007 4:20:33 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: durasell
Working the system to make money regardless of long term consequences and planning a financial meltdown are still two different things.

Not to him. I heard the Russian mob did it.

112 posted on 08/25/2007 4:24:07 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: ex-Texan

Uh, folks wanted to make money and didn’t care about long term consequences. This is not a new phenom in human history. No doubt some people crossed the line from unethical to illegal, but there was no wide spread conspiracy.

Greed is what people do. And they’re very good at it.


113 posted on 08/25/2007 4:25:10 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
No doubt some people crossed the line from unethical to illegal, but there was no wide spread conspiracy.

He knows all about that.

114 posted on 08/25/2007 4:30:28 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The ones who plan financial meltdowns are the vultures like George Soros. They set out to screw the little guy by knocking markets off their feet in liquidity crises (hello!).

Blaming this on a favorite bogeyman like mortgage brokers (Boo!) is a leap into a deeper inner circle of insanity that moves most Christian souls to pity.


115 posted on 08/25/2007 4:30:57 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: Petronski
The ones who plan financial meltdowns are the vultures like George Soros. They set out to screw the little guy by knocking markets off their feet in liquidity crises (hello!).

We wouldn't want to interfere with the plans of Soros......wouldn't be conservative.

Blaming this on a favorite bogeyman like mortgage brokers (Boo!) is a leap into a deeper inner circle of insanity that moves most Christian souls to pity.

I imagine someone drinking alone in a dark room mumbling to himself while posting on FR.

116 posted on 08/25/2007 4:36:33 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I imagine someone drinking alone in a dark room mumbling to himself while posting on FR.

Someone who could be lifted up and redeemed by the destruction of those who destroyed him.

117 posted on 08/25/2007 4:41:02 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: Petronski

I wonder what a real estate agent or mortgage broker ever did to him? Cut him off in traffic? Ran over his dog? Stole his wife?


118 posted on 08/25/2007 4:48:29 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

It beggars the imagination and rends the soul.


119 posted on 08/25/2007 4:49:40 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

If you’re agreeing with me, please stop. It makes me extremely nervous.


120 posted on 08/25/2007 4:55:55 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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