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To: robertpaulsen

>>”up until the lifetime of my grandfather, government did not think it had the power to regulate plants and chemicals”


In 1807, Thomas Jefferson prohibited trade with Europe using the power of the Commerce Clause. He also prohibited alcohol sales to the Indians in 1805. (James Madison, who wrote the Commerce Clause, was his Secretary of State.)

In 1842, Congress forbade the importation of obscene literature or pictures from abroad. In 1884, the exportation or shipment in interstate commerce of livestock having any infectious disease was forbidden.

‘’The power to regulate commerce among the several States is granted to Congress in terms as absolute as is the power to regulate commerce with foreign nations.’’
— Brown v. Houston, 114 U.S. 622 (1885)<<

With Europe and the Indian nations not being states you don’t even need the interstate commerce clause - that’s international. Sick cattle sold across state lines is clearly under the ISCC.

But...

A plant growing in the soil from locally obtained seed with no intent that any portion ever cross state lines is about as much not the Federal government’s business as you get.

That said, if a neighbor had a 65 foot green house that appeared to be full of pot I would think it was for more than 4 people. Its been a long time since I around people who smoked pot but a pound used to be a mythical amount that would last a group of boys a year or more.

And these people are claiming 24*1.5 pounds = 36 pounds are for 4 people? That’s hard to believe.


27 posted on 08/20/2007 8:25:49 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: gondramB
"With Europe and the Indian nations not being states you don’t even need the interstate commerce clause - that’s international."

True, but I doubt Europe or the Indians would sign a treaty cutting off our trade.

The Commerce Clause gives the federal government the power to regulate commerce with foreign nations and with the Indian tribes, in addition to regulating commerce among the several states.

And note that the Founding Fathers used the same phrase, "to regulate" in all three areas. Meaning that if they can prohibit trade with Europe, they can prohibit trade with the Indians or between the states.

I doubt that "to regulate" has three different meanings when used once in the same sentence.

"And these people are claiming 24*1.5 pounds = 36 pounds are for 4 people? That’s hard to believe."

Yeah, if I was a cop looking at a 65 foot greenhouse growing pot for four people, I'd be a tad suspicious myself. Of course, the posters on this thread seem to feel that the cops should know it was legal, even though the licensing and record keeping by the Oregon government is practically nonexistent.

29 posted on 08/21/2007 7:18:28 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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