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Fed sees "downside risks" to economy have increased, OKs 1/2 point cut in discount rate to banks.
http://www.cnn.com/ ^ | 8-16-07

Posted on 08/17/2007 5:22:20 AM PDT by Hydroshock

Fed declares "downside risks" to economy have increased, OKs half percentage point cut in discount rate on loans to banks. (Breaking

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To: snowsislander

Uh, make that a couple hundred billion of other instruments.


81 posted on 08/17/2007 9:36:25 AM PDT by Greg F (The Congress voted and it didn't count and . . . then . . . it didn't happen at all.)
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To: Greg F
Uh, make that a couple hundred billion of other instruments.

Do you mind if I ask what instruments these are? Do you have a source that might give some more details about these holdings?

Thanks in advance.

82 posted on 08/17/2007 9:55:14 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I want to go on record here stating how much I LOVE the medieval beating Bernanke delivered to the bears this morning.


83 posted on 08/17/2007 10:04:31 AM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: snowsislander

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/Current/

I misread it though, 800 billion total.


84 posted on 08/17/2007 10:05:12 AM PDT by Greg F (The Congress voted and it didn't count and . . . then . . . it didn't happen at all.)
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To: RockinRight
I want to go on record here stating how much I LOVE the medieval beating Bernanke delivered to the bears this morning.


85 posted on 08/17/2007 10:05:38 AM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: Hydroshock

This is huge! Loans will be fantastically cheaper the info voice on the radio just said.


86 posted on 08/17/2007 10:06:48 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: snowsislander

Any idea what it means when they say “Off Balance Sheet” holding of 1.2 trillion dollars worth of securities for the Federal Treasury?

Memo (off-balance-sheet items):
Marketable securities held in custody for foreign
official and international accounts(2,7) 2,004,821 - 1,605 + 337,613 1,989,780
U.S. Treasury 1,243,962 - 3,857 + 106,098 1,224,038
Federal agency 760,859 + 2,252 + 231,515 765,742
Securities lent to dealers 4,701 + 1,214 + 2,223 11,118


87 posted on 08/17/2007 10:09:51 AM PDT by Greg F (The Congress voted and it didn't count and . . . then . . . it didn't happen at all.)
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To: Hydroshock

http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/article/yourlife/41148


88 posted on 08/17/2007 10:13:30 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson once set fire to a crowd of liberals simply by puffing his cigar and staring real hard)
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To: Petronski; Toddsterpatriot
Toddster, for the love of God, I don’t know how you persist with these people. LOL

I don't know how he does it either. It's a true act of charity dealing with the economic flat-earthers*.

By flat-earthers I mean those who reject heliocentrism, I don't mean fans of that NY Times columnist.

89 posted on 08/17/2007 10:22:35 AM PDT by NeoCaveman ("I mean, he's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week." - Romney on B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Greg F
Any idea what it means when they say “Off Balance Sheet” holding of 1.2 trillion dollars worth of securities for the Federal Treasury?

I believe that the reference is to the Federal Reserve providing custodial services. While those are indeed Treasury securities, I believe that the owners are foreign, and are largely governments, although according to section C, question 10a from the Treasury FAQ #2 it appears that other "international organizations" can also use these custodial services:

C. Questions on foreign holdings of U.S. Treasury Securities and Foreign Official holdings:

10 a. How do the TIC data on Major Foreign Holders of U.S. Treasury Securities compare with FRBNY custody holdings?
TIC users often attempt to reconcile holdings of Treasury securities by foreign official institutions as reported in the memo lines of the TIC table "Major Foreign Holders of U.S. Treasury Securities" (www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt) with the memo lines of the Federal Reserve Statistical Release H.4.1 "Factors Affecting Reserve Balances" (www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/), which lists Treasury securities held in custody by the Federal Reserve System, primarily for foreign official institutions at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (FRBNY). This note outlines the comparability of these two series and explains why both positions and monthly changes in the two series may differ. Users are also advised to read the companion note "Methodology for Estimating Holdings of Treasury Securities in the table “Major Foreign Holders of U.S. Treasury Securities” (www.treas.gov/tic/method-mfh.html) to understand how the TIC positions in that table are constructed.

  1. Differences in coverage: The most important reason for differences between holdings reported in the TIC and the FRBNY custody accounts is a difference in coverage. First, not all foreign official holdings of Treasury securities as reported by the TIC system are held at FRBNY. In particular, Treasury securities held by private custodians on the behalf of foreign official institutions are included in the TIC but not in the FRBNY figures. In this sense, the coverage of the TIC system is broader than that of the FRBNY custody holdings. Second, the custody holdings at FRBNY include securities held for some international organizations as well as for foreign official institutions. In this sense, the coverage of the FRBNY custody holdings is broader than the foreign official designation in the TIC system.

  2. Differences in timing: The TIC system records holdings and transactions as of the end of the last business day of each calendar month whereas FRBNY custody holdings are reported in the H.4.1. as of the week ending Wednesday. This difference in timing can lead to slight differences in both positions and transactions over a month or a quarter. TIC data are released monthly with approximately a 1½ month lag. The H.4.1. release is weekly.

  3. Differences in valuation: The custody holdings at FRBNY are a tabulation of securities held at face value. TIC Major Foreign Holders data are a hybrid of market and face values. As described in the companion note, the major foreign holders table includes holdings of Treasury bonds at market value as of the most recent liabilities survey, which are then projected forward using more recent monthly transactions, also at market value. Treasury bills and certificates are included at face value. These differences in valuation can also make slight differences in both holdings and in changes in holdings as reported by the two systems.

  4. A fourth source of discrepancy arises because the TIC system of monthly net purchases or sales of long-term securities is specifically designed to capture only U.S. cross-border transactions. If a foreign official institution acquires a Treasury security from a private foreign entity on a foreign securities exchange and then has the security held in custody at FRBNY, reported custody holdings will increase. However, there will not be a corresponding TIC-reported foreign official purchase because this is not a U.S. cross-border transaction: it is a foreign-to-foreign transaction. Note that when the Treasury security first was acquired by the private foreigner, there would have been a U.S. cross-border transaction reportable in the TIC system but it would not be recorded as a foreign official purchase, nor would it necessarily be recorded in the same calendar month or against the same country as the movement into custody at FRBNY.

  5. Foreign official institutions may also transfer Treasury securities into or out of the custody of FRBNY from other U.S custodians. Such a shift would show up as an increase or decrease in custody holdings at FRBNY, but (appropriately) would not show up as a foreign official transaction in the TIC data because there is no U.S. cross-border transaction. Thus, holdings of Treasury securities as reported on the Major Foreign Holders table would remain unchanged while holdings reported by FRBNY would rise or fall.

Comparison of estimates of Foreign Official Holdings of U.S. Treasury Securities  (Billions of Dollars)

 

Major Foreign Holders Table

H.4.1. Release

End-June 2005

1277.7

1084.9

End-September 2005

1272.5

1087.5

End-December 2005

1293.0

1100.6

Change: Q3 2005

-5.2

2.6

Change: Q4 2005

20.5

13.1

Data as of May 15, 2006.


90 posted on 08/17/2007 11:12:53 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: nj_pilot
The fed has boosted the value of the underlying asset by being a buyer (financier) for crap that leveraged holders are choking on.

You know the difference between the Fed buying an asset and the Fed loaning money for 30 days on an asset?

91 posted on 08/17/2007 3:24:54 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Greg F
That’s not true at all. The Fed actually conducts the auction for the Treasury.

Actually, the Treasury does the auction.

To finance the public debt, the U.S. Treasury sells bills, notes, bonds, and Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) to institutional and individual investors through public auctions. Starting in February 2006, Treasury resumed the auction of Treasury bonds. Treasury auctions occur regularly and have a set schedule. There are three steps to an auction: announcement of the auction, bidding, and issuance of the purchased securities.

How Treasury Auctions Work

My understanding it is through open market operations related to purchase and sale of government securities by the Federal Reserve.

Yes, they buy from or sell to Primary Dealers.

The deficit must be funded, so if you and China don’t buy

The extremely low rate is evidence that they have no problem financing the debt recently.

They lend out full amount minus reserves.

Correct. many Freepers have the mistaken idea that banks can create money out of thin air to loan out. Some even think they can lend 10 or 100 times as much as they take in as deposits.

92 posted on 08/17/2007 3:45:50 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

A few Reserve Banks also conduct nationwide auctions of Treasury securities, through which the Treasury raises money to finance government spending and refinance debt. The Philadelphia Fed is the central site for TreasuryDirect, a record-keeping system that holds, in electronic form, the securities that investors purchase directly from the Treasury. Through TreasuryDirect, securities are issued, serviced, and redeemed for 650,000 investor accounts.

http://www.philadelphiafed.org/publicaffairs/whoweare/treasury-services.cfm

Reads to me like the Federal Reserve actually conducts the auction.


93 posted on 08/17/2007 3:54:43 PM PDT by Greg F (The Congress voted and it didn't count and . . . then . . . it didn't happen at all.)
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To: Greg F
Reads to me like the Federal Reserve actually conducts the auction.

Conducting the auction is not the same as buying and then reselling the securities.

94 posted on 08/17/2007 4:01:37 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Petronski

It was a good day.


95 posted on 08/17/2007 4:21:15 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Hydroshock

Inflation? Sudden tightness in the money supply is notinflation.


96 posted on 08/17/2007 4:25:31 PM PDT by bvw
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To: NeoCaveman
I don't know how he does it either.

I'm a Cubs fan, I'm used to lost causes.

97 posted on 08/17/2007 4:28:43 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Right. Maybe. The operations of the Fed are very murky in all areas. No simple explanations allowed apparently by the Fed for the hoi polloi.

Do you really believe that we can have any size of debt and it won’t unbalance the monetary system? Forgetting monetization and inflation, at some point the market will say that debt is too high, we won’t buy or we need more interest to make up for the risk. When that higher interest becomes unsustainable . . . inflation or default.


98 posted on 08/17/2007 4:42:03 PM PDT by Greg F (The Congress voted and it didn't count and . . . then . . . it didn't happen at all.)
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To: Greg F
Do you really believe that we can have any size of debt and it won’t unbalance the monetary system?

Since the deficit has been rapidly shrinking, I don't fear the deficit will unbalance our system.

Forgetting monetization and inflation,

Let's not, the Fed holds $800 billion in securities. How much new debt was added in the last 7 years? How much did the Fed holdings grow over the same period? You think they're monetizing?

at some point the market will say that debt is too high, we won’t buy or we need more interest to make up for the risk.

Will the 10 year rate rise above today's 4.67% rate? Sure. Will it rise to 6%? Maybe. Would 6% kill our economy? Would 7%? 8%? LOL!

When that higher interest becomes unsustainable . . . inflation or default.

Our $13 trillion economy is going to default on a shrinking (as a % of GDP) deficit? Please.

99 posted on 08/17/2007 4:50:48 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You know the difference between the Fed buying an asset and the Fed loaning money for 30 days on an asset?

But of course. And you are not so naive as to be blind to the *huge* change in value if all of a sudden an asset you were unable to finance can now be financed. sheesh. Mr. market will not lend you money to finance a crappy asset. But helicopter ben will. As I said in my first post, it's welfare for the wealthy.

100 posted on 08/17/2007 5:05:27 PM PDT by nj_pilot
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