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Dell to run Windows and Linux together
Birmingham Post ^ | 14 August 2007 | Staff

Posted on 08/14/2007 2:58:55 PM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: DB

Go to VMware.com and download the free VMware Server for Windows. Install Windows 2000 or 98 or XP into a VMware virtual machine, and you can run that OS in a window.


41 posted on 08/14/2007 4:41:22 PM PDT by ikka
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To: Constantine XIII

I agree with your astute observation and comments. It IS a step in the right direction.

While a lot of us can do these things now, millions can’t. This puts greater possibilities in the hands of mainstream, everyday users. With that thought in mind, maybe we could get some really neat app’s for Linux developed, and sold, that would not only compete, but, surpass some of the written for Windows only apps. Ya’ think?

I can see Linux Distros being installed, and learned, on these machines by people who never had the nerve to try them. Heck, I’d even be tempted to yank out my old BeOS!

Bravo, Dell!

Now, will you make a great Tablet PC, and do the same with that? :)


42 posted on 08/14/2007 4:46:47 PM PDT by papasmurf (<<<<< Click there to see my dogs! Oh, and I have FRed one liners, too.)
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To: ShadowAce
I wonder how much Dell has invested in VMware being it’s about to go public...
43 posted on 08/14/2007 4:56:30 PM PDT by tubebender (My first great grandson is a Miniature Schnauzer...)
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To: ShadowAce

I was wild about the VMWare IPO, but have cooled considerably to it.

VMWare is about to get chopped at the knees by a start up called Xen.
The main creator of the Xen Visor open source program started a commercial enterprise with a pretty good package available to small companies, and the next version which is in beta will cater to mid and large companies better.

more info/review:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/07/09/28TCxens_3.html?source=searchresult


44 posted on 08/14/2007 5:29:21 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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7 years a freeper, maybe I’ll start reading all the comments before posting on of these decades....


45 posted on 08/14/2007 5:35:56 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Still Thinking
> What do you mean, “They had to”? Did the government or someone make them do so?

Their own customers and OEMs gave them no end of grief, and (as I recall) they relented. The government didn't have a thing to do with it -- marketplace pressures did.

46 posted on 08/14/2007 5:40:13 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: antiRepublicrat; awaken2spirit
>> Check out Microsoft Virtual PC 2007. (a Microsoft freebie)...

> I used that a lot too, and liked it, until I started using VMWare. Then I realized this is one of those cases where you get what you pay for.... I'd suggest VMWare if you're doing anything more than playing around.

My feelings and experience exactly.

47 posted on 08/14/2007 5:45:27 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: JerseyHighlander; ShadowAce
> I was wild about the VMWare IPO, but have cooled considerably to it. VMWare is about to get chopped at the knees by a start up called Xen.

Xen's been around for quite a while (first released publicly about 4 years ago). It's interesting, but I don't think it's a serious threat to VMware, business-wise, any more than Linux is a serious threat to Windows, business-wise. If it makes it up to "moderate annoyance-level" it will be doing well.

That's not to disparage the effort or minimize Xen's importance. Indeed, having recently upgraded my NetBSD systems to 3.1, I look forward to running Xen 3.0 on them and trying it out. But that's not the same as posing a significant threat to our use of VMware on all the main platforms.

Anyway, I'll be very surprised if the existence of Xen does anything to the VMware IPO, other than enhance it by demonstrating the broad applicability of virtualization in general.

48 posted on 08/14/2007 5:57:00 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: ShadowAce

what i don’t like about dell’s marketing

is that they send out all of these ads for small business.

see something you like?

call them and it’s not available to you without a business #.

then, they want more money for the consumer pc.

whatta scam.


49 posted on 08/14/2007 6:00:51 PM PDT by ken21 (28 yrs + 2 families = banana republic junta. si.)
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To: ShadowAce
Well lookie here VMware goes public
50 posted on 08/14/2007 6:00:59 PM PDT by tubebender (My first great grandson is a Miniature Schnauzer...)
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To: ShadowAce
Well lookie here VMware goes public
51 posted on 08/14/2007 6:01:06 PM PDT by tubebender (My first great grandson is a Miniature Schnauzer...)
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To: dayglored; JerseyHighlander; ShadowAce
>> I was wild about the VMWare IPO, but have cooled considerably to it. VMWare is about to get chopped at the knees by a start up called Xen.

> Anyway, I'll be very surprised if the existence of Xen does anything to the VMware IPO, other than enhance it by demonstrating the broad applicability of virtualization in general.

As just pointed out above, VMware's IPO just happened, and was the biggest debut since Google's three years ago.

I'd say they did okay.

52 posted on 08/14/2007 6:08:05 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

You might want to double check that. I Googled soe articles on it between my inquiry and your reply, and most of them seemed to say Microsoft had reversed that decision before even announcing it.


53 posted on 08/14/2007 9:19:34 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
> You might want to double check that. I Googled soe articles on it between my inquiry and your reply, and most of them seemed to say Microsoft had reversed that decision before even announcing it.

Could be my memory is faulty, remembering as final fact what was actually a series of speculative articles.

54 posted on 08/14/2007 10:24:39 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

The articles I found seemed to indicate the decision was a done deal according to Microsoft sources, just not announced to the public, but that they changed their minds before announcing the change.


55 posted on 08/15/2007 2:09:12 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: taxcontrol
I tend to see XEN where the PERFORMANCE of the OS instance is the primary concern or where there are limited funds for the virtualization software.

I seem to remember Xen having the ability to do effectively instant migration from one physical host to another over the network without a noticeable loss of service. That's a serious enterprise feature. Does VMWare have this?

56 posted on 08/15/2007 6:21:07 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
VMware has a similar function but I have not personally used it so I can not attest to the migration time. The VMware product that enables this is call Vmotion.

Here is their web site for Vmotion.
http://www.vmware.com/products/vi/vc/vmotion.html

57 posted on 08/15/2007 7:18:27 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: awaken2spirit
Two thums up on this one.

From what I've read in reviews, Microsoft's Virtual PC doesn't even come close to VMware in terms of functionality.

 

58 posted on 08/15/2007 10:21:29 AM PDT by zeugma (If I eat right, don't smoke and exercise, I might live long enough to see the last Baby Boomer die.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
I seem to remember Xen having the ability to do effectively instant migration from one physical host to another over the network without a noticeable loss of service. That's a serious enterprise feature. Does VMWare have this?

I can personally attest to the VMotion feature working as advertized. It's freaking amazing. We've actually done tests here where we moved from one physical server to another during the middle of a major windows upgrade, and it worked flawlessly. I'm fully impressed with it. 

59 posted on 08/15/2007 10:45:10 AM PDT by zeugma (If I eat right, don't smoke and exercise, I might live long enough to see the last Baby Boomer die.)
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To: ShadowAce

On a side note, I came across this. Not enough IMHO to merit it’s own thread, but I absolutely love this quote! I’m thinking about using it.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2168701,00.asp

^^^^^^^^^For example, a number of companies have moved back to Windows XP after deploying Vista, Crawford said, before quoting Scott Granneman, an author, entrepreneur and adjunct professor at Washington University in St. Louis, as saying, “To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just have to work on it.”^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Haha, that’s great. To mess it up, you just have to work on it.


60 posted on 08/18/2007 9:27:16 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (If you use a mac, windows, linux, solaris, or bsd there's a communist in your box.)
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