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Wife who killed preacher could go free today
CNN ^

Posted on 08/14/2007 9:36:33 AM PDT by Blue Turtle

After spending a total of seven months in custody, the Tennessee woman who fatally shot her preacher husband in the back will be released as early as today.

Farese said his client will not talk to the news media because she continues to wage a legal battle to win custody of her girls and faces a $2 million civil suit filed by the parents of of her slain husband, Matthew Winkler.

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KEYWORDS: highheelsherewecome; marywinkler; matthewwinkler; murder; preacherwife
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To: conservativegranny

Until her ugly comes back out.


21 posted on 08/14/2007 11:23:42 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what I’ve done here today doesn’t force you to have a negative opinion of me….)
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To: conservativegranny

so we have an OJ situation.

Except she actually too the stand and is subject to perjury charges.

Perhaps she will be hit with punative damages too.


22 posted on 08/14/2007 12:15:09 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: conservativegranny

Is it true she wanted a divorce and her husband refused? If so, not very wise to be married to someone who wants out. Especially an unstable person.


23 posted on 08/14/2007 12:26:34 PM PDT by Augustinian monk (Peace if possible, truth at all costs- Martin Luther)
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To: conservativegranny
Her stories about her husbands sexual demands were probably more of her fantasy than the truth of what happened.

About like Jennifer Wilbanks' rape story.

24 posted on 08/14/2007 1:03:39 PM PDT by Sloth (You being wrong & me being closed-minded are not the same thing, nor are they mutually exclusive.)
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To: hopespringseternal; ClancyJ; Lucas McCain; PFKEY; asformeandformyhouse; Colonel Kangaroo; ...

*ping*


25 posted on 08/14/2007 1:04:25 PM PDT by Sloth (You being wrong & me being closed-minded are not the same thing, nor are they mutually exclusive.)
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To: Sloth

anyone have the photos mentioned of her in the bar shortly before the trial.

Bet O’Reilly’s all over this judge - as he should be.


26 posted on 08/14/2007 1:24:24 PM PDT by TaxxMann (THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT GUARANTEE FAIR SPEECH, IT GUARANTEES FREE SPEECH)
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To: Sloth
About the only legal “happy ending” that I guess is left is if she fails to get custody of the children. For his concern for his grandchildren Dan Winkler and his faith are being vilified by a certain hyper-feminist mindset as exhibited by some on this CourtTV message board.

The "claustrophobic religious environment" is to blame

27 posted on 08/14/2007 1:25:06 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: TaxxMann

There’s some video of a story on it if you go here:

http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5996728

then click on ‘Mary Winkler Part II - the story of the pictures’ to the right of the text story.


28 posted on 08/14/2007 1:29:26 PM PDT by Sloth (You being wrong & me being closed-minded are not the same thing, nor are they mutually exclusive.)
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To: Augustinian monk

So Mary said. All we have is Mary’s say-so. No witness came forth that corroborated that. For some reason alot of people do not seem to think that a person who would shoot the father of their 3 children in the back while he was asleep in bed is capable of also telling a lie. Everything that came out of that woman’s mouth seemed to be swallowed hook, line & sinker.

No one stepped forward to say that Mary’s husband told them that Mary wanted a divorce, no record of any marriage counseling nor did anyone step forward to say that the couple sought counseling for marital problems either through the church or elsewhere. Nor was there anyone who stepped forward to say there were problems in the marriage or that they ever saw or heard Matthew mistreat his wife.

I would think that someone capable of such a cold-hearted murder would not blink an eye about telling a whopper or two.


29 posted on 08/14/2007 2:00:58 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: conservativegranny; wideawake

Thank you, conservativegranny, for a very able summary of the facts of this disturbing case.

This case reminds me of a terrible murder in Australia, where a young boy (8 years old) was beaten to death by his mother and her boyfriend. They went to court - and out came the tears. She claimed that the boy (a child of less than 10!) had sexually abused his sister, and this made her ‘snap.’ There was no evidence but her word, of course. Both she and the boyfriend served only 7 years in prison. Laughable - in Australia you get 17 years for armed robbery, even if no one is injured.

In the Winkler case, it is interested that the wife who killed her husband without ‘knowing’ it had the presence of mind to be kiting cheques, and when leaving the house with the children, to take the bank documents with her.

To me, these cases show that if you are killed by a family member, and they allege sexual misconduct, then they are home free. They are allowed to kill in these cases. Never mind if it is true or not. Never mind if the activity in question breaks no law.

This is the same as honor killing in the Middle East.


30 posted on 08/14/2007 4:54:51 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: conservativegranny

So is she not going to be prosecuted on the check kiting charges?


31 posted on 08/14/2007 8:00:07 PM PDT by pnz1 (Pray for baby Ethan)
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To: pnz1

I do not believe so, no. She claimed of course she was a victim of a Nigerian scam and had no idea that what she was doing was illegal or wrong.


32 posted on 08/14/2007 8:51:26 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: Blue Turtle

reverse the genders,

and the guy would still be in prison.


33 posted on 08/14/2007 8:53:08 PM PDT by ken21 (28 yrs + 2 families = banana republic junta. si.)
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To: conservativegranny

Guess this is a case where the judgment will have to be left to God.

The whole church, family and all reacted to all of this in the best manner possible for a horrible happening. His parents, and all immediately took action to take care of those children.

In fact, his parents went to see her in jail a day or two after his death and told her they forgave her.

True Christians under fire. They make us proud. I would not expect these fine people to air the dirty linen in public no matter how they feel personally.


34 posted on 08/15/2007 7:24:56 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: ClancyJ
Well apparently they didn’t forgive her all that much as they are suing her in civil court for the death of their son and fighting for custody of their grandchildren.

Some of the church members gave her money as well. I don’t find that particularly commendable. They should have given it to her children instead.

I don’t believe you have to be a fool to be a good Christian.

35 posted on 08/15/2007 10:44:14 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: conservativegranny

Well, if the parents want some justice for their son, they are sure entitled to it. How would you act if your son was killed by a wife, leaving 3 little girls without their father, and then is freed and wants the girls back?

They are very fine people. The great grandmother even quit her job and moved to Tennessee to help with the girls. There is no way they will act in a fashion to dishonor themselves or their religion.

And, the girls would be far better off with the grandparents than an unstable mother.


36 posted on 08/16/2007 2:23:14 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: ClancyJ

Well Clancy, I’m not sure where you are coming from. You said with great admiration that the family went to the jail and forgave her but when I mentioned that they couldn’t have forgiven her completely as they are suing her you shot back at me “what would I do?” and that they are entitled to some justice. To me, if they had completely forgave her they wouldn’t be suing her. Just my opinion and was no judgement on whether suing their DIL was right or wrong. Just an observation.

I guess I’m just confused and can’t see what your point is. I don’t begrudge them any justice. I would be seeking to sue her and to keep the children too. I hope they do not end up with their mother. I would NOT have gone to the jail to forgive her.

As far as airing the dirty laundry in public, their daughter-in-law gave up any rights to privacy anyone in that family had when she shot her husband in the back. Indeed, the entire family was summoned to court to testify as to the family’s dirty laundry. I would have gotten on the stand and defended my son’s memory against the lies she was telling about him.

I have great sympathy for the family of Matthew. I agree that they are most likely very good people. They did not deserve the pain that has been visited upon them and neither did those innocent children. God bless them.

You are right though. We will have to have faith that God will deal with Mary and it is now out of our hands. I wouldn’t be giving her money or being nice to her. I would shun her.


37 posted on 08/16/2007 10:49:39 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: conservativegranny

Sorry you were confused by my post.

I am a member of the Church of Christ and get a bit tired of the tripe that is printed all over the media everytime something is mentioned about church members. Not that you did that in the least, just explaining where I come from.

When a family is hit with something horrible like this and handle it in the best way possible, it is sad to see their motives demeaned.

This was a horrible act by the wife and the family is handling it to the best of their ability. I know for a fact that the son’s family are Christian people because in Texas there are some that know them. The grandfather is a respected preacher.

Whatever they do by suing her, fine. With a world full of people honoring sinful lives and mocking Christian lives, they are quick to tear down any Christian to their level.

They did go to the jail and forgave her but that was the day after the murder and they were probably in shock. Then to hear their son’s reputation destroyed in order to free her is a little much to bear.

Hope they get the children because the mother is in no way stable and able to raise three girls by herself. Especially if she uses church funds, kiting schemes and murder to do it.


38 posted on 08/18/2007 7:50:42 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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