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To: WOSG
I am only asking that you not consider a biased leftwing source such as Tim Lambert as authoritative.

I consider him authoritative when he provides an explanation of a scientific subject that is comprehensibly explanatory.

You are giving away where you are really coming from with this BS, especially when you call non-partisan Pielke a “right-wing source”

If you don't discern Pielke Sr.'s slant, then your bias is compensating, too. I cite sources where I find the information required to support a point I make.

Wikipedia on Pielke Sr.:

Roger A. Pielke

Finally, he's a very accomplished scientist and I fully respect his views, though I don't completely agree with him.

66 posted on 08/15/2007 8:36:17 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

“I consider him [Lambert] authoritative when he provides an explanation” ... “If you don’t discern Pielke Sr.’s slant,”

So Lambert’s unscientific blatant leftwing political slant is irrelevent but Pielke’s scientifically sound mild skepticism of the ‘consensus’ damns him as ‘slanted’?!?!? Your hypocrisy is showing.

No, I cannot tell whether Pielke is a Democrat or a Republican, while Lambert is a blatant move-on type partisan leftist. Pielke talks solely the science of climate reconstruction, modeling and estimation. Your helpful wiki link shows zero evidence of political leanings and has this summary of his views:
“Pielke has a somewhat nuanced position on climate change, which is sometimes taken for skepticism, a label that he explicitly renounces. ... Pielke has reached the following conclusions with respect to climate science on his weblog:

* The needed focus for the study of climate change and variability is on the regional and local scales. Global and zonally-averaged climate metrics would only be important to the extent that they provide useful information on these space scales.
* Global and zonally-averaged surface temperature trend assessments, besides having major difficulties in terms of how this metric is diagnosed and analyzed, do not provide significant information on climate change and variability on the regional and local scales.
* Global warming is not equivalent to climate change. Significant, societally important climate change, due to both natural- and human- climate forcings, can occur without any global warming or cooling.
* The spatial pattern of ocean heat content change is the appropriate metric to assess climate system heat changes including global warming.
* In terms of climate change and variability on the regional and local scale, the IPCC Reports, the CCSP Report on surface and tropospheric temperature trends, and the U.S. National Assessment have overstated the role of the radiative effect of the anthropogenic increase of CO2 relative to the role of the diversity of other human climate climate forcing on global warming, and more generally, on climate variability and change.
* Global and regional climate models have not demonstrated skill at predicting climate change and variability on multi-decadal time scales.
* Attempts to significantly influence regional and local-scale climate based on controlling CO2 emissions alone is an inadequate policy for this purpose.
* A vulnerability paradigm, focused on regional and local societal and environmental resources of importance, is a more inclusive, useful, and scientifically robust framework to interact with policymakers, than is the focus on global multi-decadal climate predictions which are downscaled to the regional and local scales. The vulnerability paradigm permits the evaluation of the entire spectrum of risks associated with different social and environmental threats, including climate variability and change.
* Humans are significantly altering the global climate, but in a variety of diverse ways beyond the radiative effect of carbon dioxide. The IPCC assessments have been too conservative in recognizing the importance of these human climate forcings as they alter regional and global climate. These assessments have also not communicated the inability of the models to accurately forecast the spread of possibilities of future climate. The forecasts, therefore, do not provide any skill in quantifying the impact of different mitigation strategies on the actual climate response that would occur. [2]”

I don’t know which of the above statements are R or D type statements. I’d say none of them.

“Finally, he’s a very accomplished scientist and I fully respect his views, though I don’t completely agree with him.”

His accomplishments and experience speak for themselves. See below via your wiki link (”Professor Pielke has published more than 300 scientific papers, 50 chapters in books, and co-edited 9 books.”) your comment is phrased more like tenure-tack colleague than an outsider; are you a PhD-level climatologist? I’d also wonder which of his positions listed above you find objectionable. They all seem reasonable to me.


Pielke earned a B.A. in mathematics at Towson State College in 1968, a M.S. and a Ph.D. in meteorology at Pennsylvania State University in 1969 and 1973, respectively.

From 1971-1974 he worked as a research scientist at the NOAA Experimental Meteorology Lab, from 1974-1981 he was an associate professor at the University of Virginia, served the primary academic position of his career as a professor at Colorado State University from 1981-2006, was deputy of CIRA at Colorado State University from 1985-1988, from 1999-2006 was Colorado State Climatologist, at Duke University was a research professor from 2003-2006, and was a visiting professor at the University of Arizona from October-December 2004. Since 2005, Piekle has served as Senior Research Scientist at the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES) at UC-Boulder and an emeritus professor of the Department of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University. He retired from CSU and in post-retirement is a CIRES researcher.

Pielke has served as Chairman and Member of the American Meteorological Society Committee on Weather Forecasting and Analysis, as Chief Editor of Monthly Weather Review, was elected a Fellow of the American Meteorological Society in 1982 and a Fellow of the American Geophysical Union in 2004, has served as Editor-in-Chief of the US National Science Report to the International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics, as Co-Chief Editor of the Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences, and since 2006 as Editor of Scientific Online Letters on the Atmosphere.


72 posted on 08/15/2007 8:40:15 PM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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