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To: Wolfstar
The idea that e is a "traitor" for going to HMS is a concept worthy only of very young children -- or dolts.

Let us hope when you get home you can come up with something more substantive than an ad_hominem.

Junior is a traitor to the company his father and Theresa created. It was his and Theresa's job to work out their differences. Junior abandoned the mission, that makes him a traitor in my book. Just as Theresa would have been a traitor if she abandoned the job.

As for Rick Hendrick's politics, he enjoys the rights of every American citizen to support the candidates of his choice.

ABSOLUTELY! Nowhere did I say or even insinuate otherwise!

And I have the same right to take my support elsewhere. When I have a choice, I will always choose against Clintonistas.

It is none of your business where he chooses to spend his money and how much he chooses to spend on politics or anything else.

If you honestly believe that, I feel sorry for you. If he is spending the money for booze, prostitutes, cults, or drugs, I might agree with you it is none of my business. But to say "it is not my or any American's right to know of quid_pro_quos for Presidential pardons?" I must respectfully disagree.

35 posted on 07/25/2007 5:56:59 PM PDT by fideist (Martin Truex, Jr. is #1 in every NASCAR race.)
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To: fideist; WestCoastGal
Fideist, this response covers both your post #25 and #35.

To start, in your #35 to me you wrote:

Let us hope when you get home you can come up with something more substantive than an ad_hominem.

Now, from long experience in communications, I know that someone like you with so adamant, entrenched a conviction will not be swayed by anything that doesn't dovetail with your point of view. However, other people read these threads, so the facts I'm going to post are for them to consider should they be of a mind to do so.

In your Post #25, you categorically state:

Rick Hendrick gave $1 million to Bill Clinton’s Foundation thus earning him a Presidential pardon. In my book, that makes him a "Clintonista."

Hate to break it to you, fideist, but despite your certitude, you are 100% wrong about that. Rick Hendrick never paid a dime to Bill Clinton or his foundation. Heck, this is so easy to refute, that I'm going to cite sources that are thoroughly anti-Clinton -- and, by extension, anti anyone he pardoned, including Rick Hendrick. There are many sources on the internet for this information, but I'm going to cite references in our own FreeRepublic.

A search in FR's archives for 'Rick Hendrick Clinton' yields the articles at this link.

You will note the info in these sources (and many others on the internet) makes it clear: Despite ANY evidence, rabid partisans implied that a $500,000 gift from the Bank of America Foundation to the Clinton Library was tied to the Hendrick pardon. Why? Because Rick had been on the Board of Directors of a smaller regional bank purchase by Bank of America. Guilt by association -- a favorite trick of demagogues on all sides of the political divide.

As I said, fideist, I'll let readers of this post make up their own minds. However, I'll note that you mixed up the BofA Foundation with the Clinton foundation, and stretched $500,000 to $1,000,000. And I'll note that the Congressional investigations of these pardons turned up zero evidence of any wrongdoing by Rick Hendrick or the BofA Foundation.

Next:

Rick Hendrick happens to be a registered Republican. He is also a businessman and, like thousands, if not millions of businessmen around the country, he sometimes contributes to the campaigns of Republicans and Democrats. Here is a link to a 2005 USA Today article which shows that in the 2004 election year, Rick contributed comparatively small sums to both a Republican and a Democrat campaign. You'll also note in the same article that Bill and Betty France, Roger Penske, Brian France, and Chip Ganassi all did likewise, despite the fact that some 90% of NASCAR political contributions go to Republicans. (There is a similar list which shows that Dale Earnhardt Sr. contributed 80% to Republicans, Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson 100%, and Dale Junior zero to either party.)

As for your viewpoint that someone pardoned by Bill Clinton means they are a "Clintonista," that can't be refuted because it's your belief. However, I'm glad to note that the Founders who wrote the United States Constitution heartily disagree with you.

Now, as to your extraordinarily presumptuous claim:

Junior is a traitor to the company his father and Theresa created. It was his and Theresa's job to work out their differences. Junior abandoned the mission, that makes him a traitor in my book.

I see that, in addition to all your other qualities -- so ably displayed by you in your posts -- you arrogate to yourself the ability to channel Senior's ghost. So let me get this straight. In your world, any child whose father builds a business is to be enslaved by and forced to run the business after the old man retires or passes on. (Hmmmmm...should I ask if that only goes for sons? Only sons who have the old man's name? Only sons of famous racing icons? Only sons of famous racing icons because fideist was a fan of the old man?)

So it is fedist's edict that such boy children are not entitled to their own lives, but must live out the dead father's life instead. Charming worldview you have there, fedist.

42 posted on 07/25/2007 9:45:22 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If ye break faith with us who die, We shall not sleep, though poppies grow in Flanders fields.)
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