[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

I’d say Mr. Vick is innocent until proven guilty

Gimme a break. I saw footage of the dog fights on ESPN, and it looks like an open-and-shut case to me. Vick is a scumbag, and he can kiss his QB career goodbye, which he was really nothing more than a beefed-up version of "Slash" anyway.

[Mr. Mojo]

I saw some video today from the Vick residence showing two guys each holding two youngish pit bulls by the collars attempting to entice them to fight. ...or at least show aggression. Neither of the dogs were too enthusiastic. In fact, one licked the other one in the face. .....much to their owners' displeasure, no doubt.

Of course through repetition and rewards I'm sure they eventually got the dogs to act the way they wanted.