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The Computer Of The Future - Apple's iPhone
Forbes Magazine ^ | 07.04.07, 6:00 AM ET | Rachel Rosmarin

Posted on 07/04/2007 10:25:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker

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1 posted on 07/04/2007 10:25:46 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: 1234; 50mm; 6SJ7; Abundy; Action-America; af_vet_rr; afnamvet; akatel; Alexander Rubin; Amadeo; ...
The iPhone works as a internet access computer without AT&T service... PING!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

2 posted on 07/04/2007 10:27:27 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Swordmaker
The computer of the future? O, come on. Not nearly enough viewing space to be "the" computer of the future. One of 'em, though.
3 posted on 07/04/2007 10:31:45 PM PDT by unspun (Acknowledgment of God affords life, popular & national sovereignty, liberty, responsibility)
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To: unspun

video can be taken out at the i-pod port, and soon someone will have glasses adapted to a plug that works with the ipod, with the optical effect of a 60” display at 8 feet.

I know the glasses are already there for around $200 a pair, I just don’t know about the plug.

That is a pretty small hurdle.


4 posted on 07/04/2007 10:46:26 PM PDT by Sundog (It's a good day for a catharsis.)
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To: Swordmaker

Check iPhone availablity in your area here:

http://www.apple.com/retail/iphone/

A cursory looks tells me that most, if not all stores, are out of stock. That’s in line with estimates that stock would last to the middle of this week.


5 posted on 07/04/2007 11:41:48 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: Sundog
I knew there was a feature that I forgot to include when I got my glasses. :-)
6 posted on 07/04/2007 11:47:59 PM PDT by cgbg (Hamas--killing the Pali terrorists Americans won't kill.)
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To: Swordmaker

The thing this iPhone is lacking is significant memory. This thing needs 80 plus gig. Until you can store decent amount for things like video, it is not worth it. Probably third generation, the iPhone will rock.


7 posted on 07/05/2007 12:23:27 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
The thing this iPhone is lacking is significant memory. This thing needs 80 plus gig. Until you can store decent amount for things like video, it is not worth it. Probably third generation, the iPhone will rock.

This reminds me of the old joke about new hard drives...

Geek One: "Hey, I just got a new hard drive for my computer!"

Geek Two: "Great? How big is it?

Geek One: "Not big enough."


8 posted on 07/05/2007 12:50:11 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Always Right
I just discovered that this thing too has no user-replaceable battery. So, if you want to use the phone beyond its battery life, without having to charge it in between long uses, you can’t. On a laptop, you’d just carry an extra battery and plug that in. Same goes for even another phone with a music player in it.

So, if you’re on a long-haul flight and you’d like to use the iPhone as an iPod, you won’t be able to use it for too long without having to charge it.

I have no idea why they have this asinine concept of a non-user-replaceable battery, on a high-drain device like a cellphone, nonetheless. For this expensive phone, when the battery runs out, you send it to Apple along with a payment of $75, lose the use of the phone for a minimum 3 days, and hope that the phone is not returned with pry-marks on the covers. A simple battery door would have fixed it, without compromising much on design.

Besides, after about an average 1.5 to 2 years of use, when most Li-ion batteries will require a replacement, Apple charges $75 for the new battery, by which time the phone would have depreciated in value by drastic amounts(ever tried selling an old cellphone? No one buys them). On a Nokia, you can have a similar capacity battery for about 15 bucks.

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3026&p=1


9 posted on 07/05/2007 2:08:05 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

These are bound to get better with time. THEN I’ll get one.


10 posted on 07/05/2007 5:08:24 AM PDT by queenkathy (The shampoo promised me extra body and I gained 3 pounds)
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To: Swordmaker
the iPhone-as-tablet will look attractive, if a bit pricey (typical of Apple’s computers)

No bias here. /s

How much longer are people going to continue with this canard?

11 posted on 07/05/2007 5:27:23 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (It's never a good time to get sucked into an evil vortex.)
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To: BunnySlippers

I thought I was going to wait until the end of this week to get one, but when I saw stocks running out, I grabbed one on Tuesday. And it’s a good thing I did, since they’re out in all places except two — in the entire country (and that’s Tigard, Oregon and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania).... Oh boy!

Regards,
Star Traveler


12 posted on 07/05/2007 6:58:33 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Always Right

Oh gawwwwd..., you must be a cutting edge geek or something! LOL...

I mean for the normal and average consumers, they’ll be saying it has a huge amount of storage space. For the geeks (as someone else said), it’s “never enough”.

One thing you’ve got to realize here is that with the iPods, the ones that have the flash memory have smaller storage. The iPods that have the larger storage are hard drives.

So, with the iPhone, it’s going with flash memory and thus it’s not going to have 80 Gigs of storage space, until the flash memory comes up to that size (and with prices that are affordable). They weren’t going to put in a hard drive in the iPhone, so that left the iPhone with about 8 Gigs for a maximum.

And as flash memory progresses and gets larger and is priced cheaper, you’ll see the larger sizes for storage in the iPhone — but — that’s not now. You’ll just have to wait.

But, for the several million people who wanted the iPhone — now — they got what they wanted and with something that is very usable (with regards to storage space) and they’re very happy. And that includes me... :-)

Regards,
Star Traveler


13 posted on 07/05/2007 7:04:26 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: CarrotAndStick

The service plans will be cheaper than the batteries if you’re concerned about that, and having to replace it within months (as someone was so ridiculously suggesting... LOL).

I’ll let you know how my battery works out. Check back with me in about two year.... :-)

Regards,
Star Traveler

P.S. — On charging the battery, I’ve not charged the battery once, until this morning, having used it a lot since Tuesday night/Wednesday morning, since getting it activated. As you can imagined, I’ve been all over this thing, doing all sorts of stuff. It seems to hold up pretty well to a lot of usage. But, I’ve got the charger and I can use it in my car, too (as I’ve got an inverter in it). I’ll probably get a car charger, too, but I don’t know, maybe not. I don’t think it’s a problem...


14 posted on 07/05/2007 7:09:26 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Swordmaker

Free, handheld WI_FI computers are indeed the future.


15 posted on 07/05/2007 7:12:01 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Star Traveler

I know the decision to not put a user-replaceable battery in it was an economic one, rather than anything to do with engineering. If it works for Apple, what’s to complain?

Lol!


16 posted on 07/05/2007 7:18:21 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Star Traveler

Yes, for someone with a normal daily routine, it shouldn’t be a problem. The battery thing aside, the product is indeed marvellous.


17 posted on 07/05/2007 7:21:27 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Star Traveler

“I’ll let you know how my battery works out.”

While you’re poking around at it ... is there a way to download an image of your memory to your local comp, so when your phone goes back for a new battery ( and you’re down for a few days ) you can be assured that your data is not compromised or that it dosen’t fall into a UPS black hole ?


18 posted on 07/05/2007 10:16:03 AM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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While you’re poking around at it ... is there a way to download an image of your memory to your local comp, so when your phone goes back for a new battery ( and you’re down for a few days ) you can be assured that your data is not compromised or that it dosen’t fall into a UPS black hole ?

Where have you been?

Yes. You sync it to your computer with iTunes. All data on the iPhone is duplicated on your computer. If your iPhone is lost, get another and sync it with iTunes and you are back in business.

19 posted on 07/05/2007 10:54:33 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: RS
While you’re poking around at it ... is there a way to download an image of your memory to your local comp, so when your phone goes back for a new battery ( and you’re down for a few days ) you can be assured that your data is not compromised or that it dosen’t fall into a UPS black hole ?

Well, I know that there will be a lot of people poking around on the iPhone for a while to come. Although I don't personally know how to get a "disk image" of the 8 Gig flash drive onto my computer (and that's doubtful, at this point in time), the basic user data (like Contacts) is "two-way sync-able". Now, some of the others are "one-way sync-able" -- meaning that they only sync from your computer to the iPhone. So, it only gets on your iPhone from what was originally on your computer.

But, there is a question about "Notes" since I don't see that as something that originates from the computer, but from the iPhone. So, there is a question there.

As someone else pointed out, yes, you sync your data with your computer -- but that's not the entire question here. There is data on the iPhone which is generated from within itself and may not be sync-able with your computer. I mentioned "Notes" and I'm thinking that your calling data (like missed and received and made calls) is the same. And also, there's a question (in my mind) about "bookmarks" (on the web). I know you can sync all the bookmarks you have on your own browser, onto the iPhone, but I don't want all those booksmarks that I have, and only a select few on the iPhone, so I'm not sure what to do about that.

These are all things to be sorted out -- as a new device and a new piece of equipment and see how it all works. It's still "new in the game" and this is what will be found in in the weeks and months (too) -- as the hackers and users and others find out more information on the iPhone.

I sometimes think you bring some of these things up to try and show problems of one kind or another -- and give a negative slant to the iPhone. However, some of these things I would like to know, too -- but I'm not giving the iPhone a negative slant as I perceive you're trying to do. But, you do mention a few things that I would like to find out about.

The one "big thing" I can see that I would want to save, would be the "Notes" and I don't see how to save that right now. But Apple has a link for users to provide input, so they can gauge what the users want and incorporate these things into the future models of their products. I would imagine that Apple is looking for quite a few improvements, right now, for the iPhone, because they're going to want to keep it "going" and "advancing" for quite a while -- and that will only happen as they improve it as they go along. And, you can believe they will keep improving it as they go along. That's pretty much guaranteed -- as that's the Apple way of doing it.

Regards,
Star Traveler

P.S. -- By the way, if any iPhone user want the "iPhone Manual" you can download it. It's a big file and a long download, or if you view it inside your browser window, you have to wait quite a while for the entire thing to load, first, before it shows up (so it's not stuck...). You just have to wait a while for it to complete...

20 posted on 07/05/2007 11:14:11 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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