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How America Went Gay
Leadership U. ^ | 11.18.95 | Charles W. Socarides, M.D.

Posted on 07/01/2007 7:30:05 PM PDT by Coleus

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21 posted on 07/02/2007 9:04:49 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Coleus

Unfortunately, although homosexuality is not inborn, except perhaps in some extremely rare cases where there is merely a slight physical proclivity toward it, it is deeply ingrained. Just as our own preferences are ingrained. The constant physical reward that sex provides establishes a deep preference that is intertwined with emotion and is not easily changed. When it is changed, there tends to be a lack of passion afterwards. You are psychoanalyzed, you are cured, you no longer care, in that order. Happens with all neuroses connected to sex, in fact.


22 posted on 07/02/2007 9:07:15 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Coleus
Although I agree with much of Rush Limbaugh's fundamental politics, most of his schtick is tedious and unfunny, IMO.

BUT, Rushbo, I do think you are correct to repeatedly emphasize how fruited the plain has become. It is quite a phenomenon.

23 posted on 07/02/2007 9:10:48 AM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: the OlLine Rebel
I think it’s VERY possible many/most homosexuals are that way by nature - bad nature. Defects occur by genetics and by pre-natal accident; why not defective sexuality?

I think the same could be said for: why not defective [insert whatever]. This is a very complex subject.

Ex-gays tell us their same-sex attraction wasn't a choice because they were confused. Science tells us environment plays a major factor and when reading story after story from ex-gays, we see environment playing a large part.

Some admit to choosing homosexuality. There's the Queer By Choice group, some radicals admit to choosing the lifestyle and state they need to recruit more, there are LUGS (Lesbian Until Graduation), etc.

24 posted on 07/02/2007 9:24:23 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: FormerLib
This is really going to tick off some of our long-standing pro-homo cheerleaders here at FR.

I admittedly haven't been a FReeper for that long, but I've seen very few postings I could point to that were pro-homo.

Mostly seems to be anti- i.e.comments like, 'fudge-packers, 'rump riders', etc, etc, etc...

25 posted on 07/02/2007 10:16:32 AM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("Flying is like Life: Know where you are, where you're going, and how to get there." - 'Ol Dad)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck
I admittedly haven't been a FReeper for that long, but I've seen very few postings I could point to that were pro-homo.

It's a cyclical thing. There are some posters with a well-established reputation for posting "not that there's anything wrong with that" when the question arises. Others will sign in for the first time and go traipsing through a bunch of threads talking about how evil we all are for suggesting that the turd burglars are anything other than perfectly normal, happy, well-adjusted folk.

26 posted on 07/02/2007 10:24:24 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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how evil we all are for suggesting that the turd burglars are anything other than perfectly normal

'turd burglars'! *LOL*!!

Have to add that one to the list...

27 posted on 07/02/2007 10:38:08 AM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("Flying is like Life: Know where you are, where you're going, and how to get there." - 'Ol Dad)
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To: scripter

I understand our president’s new surgeon general nominee has written extensively on the physiological damage resulting from a gay deathstyle.


28 posted on 07/02/2007 11:27:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: scripter

I DID state in my post that many NOW (especially) are “choosing” to be gay. Some probably by osmosis of being forced into homo situations as children.

You state: “I think the same could be said for: why not defective [insert whatever].”

Exactly!

Retardation and many diseases including heart defects (I mean, FROM BIRTH) are genetic defects that show up from the get-go. Why cannot homosexuality be so?

Occasional homosexuality seems to occur out in nature.

Saying this does NOT condone homosexuality.

Just as retardation nor faulty heart problems are not only abnormal, but not “celebrated” as something to aspire to, neither is homosexuality (or shouldn’t be). Just because “it happens” doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. Thus, conservatives should not be so shy about it being an abnormality that sometimes crops up. I don’t understand this.


29 posted on 07/02/2007 11:29:31 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Argh. I think I wrote that post too quickly.

What I meant by "why not defective..." was that same-sex attraction could be the result of a defective environment as well, and that's what science is telling us. There have been many studies giving the false impression of genetics as the cause behind same-sex attraction. Some of those are finger length, eye color, twins, direction of curly hair, hypothalamus, etc, all of which have been discredited.

While we do sometimes see same-sex attraction in nature, it's always a temporary situation or domination is the major factor. What unfortunately happens is somebody reads a headline only never to read the study nor the follow-up comments, and that's critical to understanding the bigger picture here.

Sometimes I'll remind folks that homosexuals are people, too, and that we shouldn't paint with such a wide brush. When I do that it gives others the impression I'm condoning homosexuality when I'm not.

Check my profile for numerous links on the subject.

30 posted on 07/02/2007 11:46:01 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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Your expert literally sells the service of turning gays straight, and refers to it as “doing God’s work”.

I don’t know, call me a skeptic, but... I’m kind of looking for more in an “expert”.

The number of ex-gays might be “growing”, but it seems to experience “shrinkage” quite often as well.

Whatever... if people want to change, best of luck to them. IMO, it isn’t a “choice”.


31 posted on 07/02/2007 12:19:21 PM PDT by JerriBlank
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To: scripter

Scripter, I had never heard of Dr. Socarides, and I looked him up in Wikipedia.

You probably already know this, but his son is gay.

Irony.


32 posted on 07/02/2007 12:23:51 PM PDT by JerriBlank
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The number of ex-gays might be “growing”, but it seems to experience “shrinkage” quite often as well.


33 posted on 07/02/2007 12:26:23 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: dfwgator

Shrinkage. It’s a real issue.


34 posted on 07/02/2007 12:33:53 PM PDT by JerriBlank
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Here's my take: Almost EVERY gay was in the closet...at least NO gay came out and said they were gay. THEN AIDS came along and people were Horrified and SCARED of Heterosexuals getting AIDS, so the govt. and media spoke very compassionately about gays and how we should treat gays with love and compassion beyond normal, had all kinds of programs and fund-raisers and tearjerk shows on AIDS, so HOMOsexual activity was COOL......and ALL GAYS were encouraged or forced OUT OF THE CLOSET...and then the Gay Pride PARADES started, and it seems like HALF of America is GAY now and NO ONE is in the CLOSET ANYMORE!

Now here's why I think so MANY guys are gay......FEMINIST MOTHERS and DIVORCED MOTHERS...weak or no father figures.

35 posted on 07/02/2007 12:34:08 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: JerriBlank
Okay, I'll call you a skeptic. Dr. Robert Spitzer was a skeptic too, and he was instrumental in getting homosexuality removed from the DSM as a mental disorder in 1973. Now he believes homosexuals can change. Also, the APA has changed their mind: APA Has No Disagreement With the Treatment of Unwanted Homosexual Attraction

There are many experts in the field. Some believe homosexuals can change. Some say it's damaging to even try. Some say homosexuals are born that way, so there's a wide range of ideas out there.

Ex-gays say their same-sex feelings aren't a choice and I believe them. They do say their actions are always a choice and I believe them here as well. I also believe them when they talk about the sexual identify confusion they experienced while they had their same-sex-attraction.

Here's something you may find of interest: Confession from a former homosexual.

36 posted on 07/02/2007 1:11:24 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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Who knows. Maybe Socarides’ work kept him from home and his first son missed that bond. Maybe not. Maybe having a gay son drove him to excel in his work.


37 posted on 07/02/2007 1:13:46 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Antoninus

“...Excellent article. Needs to be widely read here on FR....”

Not only here on FR but everywhere.


38 posted on 07/02/2007 1:19:50 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (ELIMINATE ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Retardation and many diseases including heart defects (I mean, FROM BIRTH) are genetic defects that show up from the get-go. Why cannot homosexuality be so?


If the root cause is congenital, being a mental defect would still fall in line with the idea that homosexuality is chosen.

It’s telling that homosexuals claim to be born that way, but they are constantly in the process of recruitment.


39 posted on 07/02/2007 2:01:01 PM PDT by kenth (I got tired of my last tagline...)
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To: Coleus

BUMP!


40 posted on 07/02/2007 2:52:47 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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