Came here for some help about the OK City bombing

Always have wondered

[cubswinby100]

I always wondered if Timothy McVaigh really was the one who did the whole thing.

While talking to some friends about this one mentioned there has been some work done here and some published articles about a possible Muslim connection.

[nicmarlo]

You are still using your dead son to raise tax-sheltered campaign cash for a Presidential primary you will not win - and stuufing your pockets with big green bucks you will never pay taxes on

sure looks/sounds thataway! disgusting.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

"Another conspiracy theory intrigued me because I could never disprove it. The theory seemed unlike on its face: Ramzi Yousef or Khalid Sheik Muhammad had taught Terry Nichols how to blow up the Oklahoma Federal Building. The problem was that, upon investigation, we established that both Ramzi Yousef and Nichols had been in the city of Cebu on the same days. I had been to Cebu years earlier; it is on an island in the central Philippines. It was a town in which word could have spread that a local girl was bringing her American boyfriend home and that the American hated the U.S. government.

"Yousef and Khalid Sheik Muhammad had gone there to help create an al Qaeda spinoff, a Philippine affiliate chapter, named after a hero of the Afghan war against the Soviets, Abu Sayaff. Could the Al Qaeda explosives expert have been introduced to the angry American who proclaimed his hatred for the U.S. government? We do not know, despite some FBI investigation. We do know that Nichols' bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned. We also know that Nichols continued to call Cebu long after his wife returned to the United States. The final coincidence is that several al Qaeda operatives had attended a radical Islamic conference a few years earlier in, of all places, Oklahoma City."

-- Richard Clarke "Against All Enemies" (page 127)

The truth is out there. Happy hunting.

[potlatch]

I can’t find my little Lava Lamp gif. They have a calming effect if you watch them, lol.

[devolve]

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Try the “Disco” websites

Funny stuff!!!!

[potlatch]

Heh, funny stuff to you might not be so funny to me, lol.

I DO have a lava lamp gif - somewhere in some hidden folder!

[devolve]

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Different “blob” colors in Lava Lamps

A small light bulb in the base to get it going

Maybe some black light florescent lighting and lights down low

I recall at a few parties how those wearing black suits or dresses would show dandruff or dust in black light

[potlatch]

Yes, as the light warmed it up the colored blobs started moving more. Val had black lights and psychedelic colored posters.

[devolve]

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Great!

Black lights!

You’ll have to tell her she made a thread posting!

[potlatch]

On the OK City bombing thread too!!
Lol

[ovrtaxt]

I’ve noticed the same thing. I’ve seen some Freepers who treat noobs with such a condescending attitude for no reason, belying their own insecurities. It would be comical if it wasn’t so rude.

(not saying that happened here, but I have seen it before.)

If someone is a troll, it will be apparent soon enough.

[swmobuffalo]

Bump

[TheSpottedOwl]

Thanks for the info!

[TheSpottedOwl]

How are we supposed to retain new posters if we scare them all away, on the first day they post?

[ravingnutter]

Ramzi Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols crossed paths (OKC) in the Phillipines. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (9/11) was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given monthly salary and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Other links

[TXnMA]

Here is a pivotal FR article. I note that the OKBIC web domain has been allowed to expire, so my FRProfile link to their website (and to the best source for their Final Report) no longer exists. (OKBIC was a volunteer operated and funded citizen effort. I'm surprised the website "stayed up and stayed current" as long as it did...)

I'll check around for copies of the Report, and if all else fails, I'll give (recently re-elected) OK Congressman Charles Key a call to see if there are any copies still available.

[yukong]

That is correct. Hussain al Hussanini was a former member of the Iraqi Republican Guard. He moved to Oklahoma and had some business here. From that business he brought in more Iraqi men as employees. There are photos of him that are a dead ringer for the profile view of John Doe #2. The one wearing the ball cap. Anyway, McVeigh was seen in the days leading up to the bombing in an area bar here in OKC and at the hotel where he stayed, accompanied by middle eastern men. And, at the scene of the bombing, middle eastern men were seen fleeing the area of 5th and Hudson, (the Murrah Building). At that time, a BOLO was sent out for ME men in a pickup. From just moments after the bombing, until the feds got involved...the search was for ME men.

Anyway, Hussain al Hussaini sued Jayna Davis and KFOR TV (her employer) for a story they did identifying him as JD#2. Funny thing was they never named him or showed photos of him on the air. But he sued anyway...and a federal judge eventually threw out the suit, and in so doing made statements that the evidence complied by Jayna was so strong that there was sufficient evidence to believe that Hussaini was JD#2.

Sometime after the Murrah bombing and his suit being dismissed...Hussain al Hussaini moved to Boston and began working at Logan International Airport...where he worked until sometime just after September 11, 2001. And from what I have been told...his whereabouts are now unknown.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[TXnMA]

Apparently, the OKBIC Final Report can still be obtained here. That webpage also has several reviews of the Report, which contains numerous photos that are available (to the public) nowhere else.

With the constant march of computer progress, my copies of those photos (and many more) are less and less accessible. IIRC, they are on a Syquest disk stored somewhere, and to access them, I'd have to find them -- and, then find a computer with a SCSI bus capability...

If I do find and access them, I'll try to transfer them to CD for future reference...

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A few observations from the engineering analysis)section of the report:

1) All (other) analyses of the collapse were based on an air blast with an explosive yield barely -- at the extreme limit of its range) capable of removing a single main support by brisance (shattering).

2) The investigating engineers were kept 200 feet from the scene by the FBI -- and were told that the crater was 28 feet (originally reported by the FBI as 32 feet) in diameter.

3) Those (ASCE/FEMA) investigators based their (barely-sufficient) explosive yield calculations on those crater dimensions supplied by the FBI.

3) Yet the crater was covered (photos in the Report) by eight sheets of plywood in a 4-sheet X 2-sheet array -- and the FBI refused to let either the ASCE/FEMA investigators -- or the defense lawyer (Stephen Jones) and his investigators -- uncover and measure the crater.

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You do the math... (Hint: a sheet of plywood is 4' X 8'...)

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you oh so very much for the information and your insights!

[yukong]

I know the crater was large...I stood at the lip of the crater for about 5 minutes within 30-45 minutes of the bombing. I obviously didn’t measure it...but it was quite large and quite deep. It seemed to me...at the time...that it was one heck of a hole.