Inspector Sidney Wang? Sam Diamond?
Posted on 05/13/2007 11:34:05 AM PDT by tpaine
A humble suggestion:
We should set up a shooting range with a slow-moving target approximating the range at Dealey Plaza. Make it a tourist stop. I’d wager that about half of competent shooters could make the shots LHO did with the gear he used. About half of the other half would tell you they could have, on the right day with enough luck.
No one who sat in that nest and made that shot would ever again buy the BS that it was improbable, let alone impossible, If LHO could have made the shots, most of the conspiracy theories fade into oblivion.
Exactly. If there was a conspiracy, it was one that clouded the issue of a Marxist and his connections with the Russians. At the height of the Cold War, it was better for people to think anyone other than the Russians or a Marist had a hand in it.
The problem lies in the historical context. The Cold War is over and you still have seriously disturbed people running around saying there were people with shooting umbrellas, killers hiding in sewers, Secret Serviceman and tree climbers blasting away.
What next!
I have yet to see anyone offer a sensible, persuasive counter-response to this evidence.
'The KG9 Kid' and I just had an sensible exchange on these points just last week, on that other thread. -- I thought you were there..
All of the ?multiple shooter? theories appear to be based on misrepresentations, like the claim that the force of the bullet in the head shot forced Kennedy?s head backwards, when the film evidence shows that his head went forwards at the moment of impact, and that the backward jerk of the head happened after, not at the moment of impact.
You see forwards, most others see back. I'm not convinced either way.
Or the misrepresentation than JFK and Connolly were seated at the same height in the limo, and therefore only an impossible ?magic? bullet could have shifted upwards in midair to strike both men.
I see the 'magic' in lining up the two left/right, and in lining up JFK's jacket & shirt to his neck wound. -- And, - in the whole timeline of the three shots.
Or, that just because the Warren Report was slipshod, that in and of itself proves that Oswald was not the one who killed JFK, rather than simply proving the fact that the staff was sloppy. There is certainly ground for speculation that others may have encouraged Oswald in the killing and that Jack Ruby protected other unknown people by killing Oswald, but the physical evidence clearly demonstrates that Oswald fired the shots that struck the limo and its occupants from the school book depository. His guilt in this matter is further supported by the fact that Oswald shortly afterwards killed Officer Tippett.
None of these 'facts' have ever been proved beyond a reasonable doubt, which leaves, as you say "-- certainly ground for speculation".
Unfortunately, something like that was stopped due to bad publicity. There was a paintball company that set up a scenario. It was “Secret Serviceman” against the “assassins”.
It didn’t matter sides were switched each time. The bad publicity was enough to halt it or at least drive it underground.
Most real rifleman already know they can make that shot. The problem is convincing others of the time frame. 8.3 seconds is a long time for chambering, shoot, chambering, shoot, chambering and shoot.
And they still can't because it's impossible. They can whine about a single fact they don't particularly like but the fact remains they can not explain how another assasin is possible. It just doesn't fit the trajectories.
Fact: The jacket was bunched up in the back.
Fact: The holes in the shirt and jacket matched.
Fact: The entrance hole in the back had the halo effect of an entrance wound.
Fact: Governor Connelly didn't turn around and shoot JFK in the throat.
Shot two hit Kennedy in the back of the neck. Conspiracy theorists make much of the "fact" that he "clutched his throat". He didn't. His arms rose in an involuntary reaction that was well-documented long before the death of JFK.
Shot two is he so-called "magic bullet." The one that allegedly changed direction, paused, and so on. That is only true if both Kennedy and Connoly were sitting bolt-upright, and neither was.
Shot three was the kill. Jim Garrison believed that JFK's head going back and to the left meant that it must have been shot from left and to the front. Every expert and experiment says otherwise.
Three shots.
One gun, one shooter, three shots. All the available evidence supports that. The conspiracy theorists love to quote a lack of evidence as evidence of a cover-up.
With apologies to Dr. Freud, sometimes a murder is just a murder.
Case closed.
Oh, I wish.
Great idea, - poor logic on how many shooters could do it.
I would speculate that under pressure, very few could. -- To simulate the pressure make the 3 shot fee at the range $1,000. -- for the one time chance to win $10,000.
I'd bet that in a month or two the range would have to offer 50 to 1 odds in order to attract shooters.
Maybe they turned in mid-air like the “Spector” bullet. ;^)
I thought it was too obvious to need mention.
I did read your exchange with KG9 Kid. As evidence is presented refuting various multiple shooter theories, you seem to be grasping at thinner and thinner straws.
There is nothing “magic” about where the bullet struck Kennedy and then Connally. The two men were not sitting at the same height, and they were not sitting exactly in the same posture facing precisely forwards at all times either. If you look at the films and photographs you will see both men looking and turning slightly sometimes to the right, sometimes to the left, to wave to people in the crowd. Connally seems to me to have done more of this than Kennedy, as it appears to me he was enjoying it more and, as a local politician, perhaps might expect to recognize someone occasionally in the crowd. So Connally was facing, and turned slightly to the right when the shot that hit both men came. Why is that so hard to believe?
As to whether the shirt bunched up together with the jacket or, as you claim, should have been stuck to his body while only the jacket bunched up, keep in mind it is MORE likely to bunch up with the jacket (as opposed to be stuck to his body by the sweat) in the case of someone wearing a corset which would separate the shirt from his sweaty skin, and allow the shirt to bunch up more easily.
the so-called “confession” of Howard Hunt has been discussed on multiple threads on FR:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1828428/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1808231/posts
The second shot went straight through Kennedy and then through Connelly just like it was designed to do.
Unless you feel safe hiding behind five and a half inches of flesh while someone shoots a 161 grain bullet traveling at 2000 feet a second?
You don't even have to do that. Presumably, the first shot is chambered long before the target comes into range. This is planned, after all. Four seconds per shot to rack and re-acquire.
I think I could do that, and I was never a Marine. I could be wrong. I'd like to test the hypothesis. I'm a good shot, but my target shooting is mostly pistol -- I don't have a lot of rifle experience.
LHO was a Marine. The worst 10% of Marines who make it through Basic are better shots than the top 25% of American civilians. Every Marine is a marksman -- that's the credo. And while the conspiracy theorists paint him as an idiot and a misfit, which he clearly was, he never would have gotten into the Corps if he couldn't shoot.
Not to be a strutting peacock, but give me a week to practice with the weapon and a month to plan, and I suspect i could make those shots.
The honest conspriracists, of which there are few, at least have the good sense and reason to understand that just because a Lone Gunman person throws up his hands in exasperation from arguing the point that it's not an abandonment of their position. We just get tired of arguing with kooks over the Internet.
I would like to leave those still reading this thread with one gift: There's a simulation of the JFK Assassination that's been available for a few years that caused great controversy and considerable consternation amongst the surviving Kennedy family. Some may consider it quite a ghoulish insult, but to those JFK assassination buffs who want all the evidence available to them through simulation and modeling should definitely check it out.
It's a compelling simulation called 'JFK Reloaded'. It was released a few years ago by a Scottish developer of simulation games. It is a masterwork simulation that accounts for all model-able aspects of the JFK murder as it relates to Oswald's involvement in the assassination. It doesn't require a modern high powered PC to run. You may download 'JFK Reloaded 1.01' directly from this link (12.8 Mb download, MS Windows installable .EXE file). Warnings should be given here in that this simulation is not for children and may be upsetting to many.
The intention of this simulation was admittedly designed to disprove any conspiracy theory that involves the claim that Lee Harvey Oswald could not have made the shots in the assassination of JFK from the infamous sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. The 3D engine created for this simulation is one of the finest proprietary engines suited for bullet and motion ballistics, wounding simulation in the area of terminal ballistics, and chaos simulacrum.
Those who maintain this notion should at least give this simulation a chance.
I’d bet that in a month the range would be bankrupt.
We do still have a capitalist economy, don’t we? If there were this profit potential. why hasn’t it been tapped?
I’d bet that in a month the range would be bankrupt.
We do still have a capitalist economy, don’t we? If there were this profit potential. why hasn’t it been tapped?
We agree.
Shot two hit Kennedy in the back of the neck.
It hit him in the back, as shown by the matching holes in his jacket & shirt.
Shot two is he so-called "magic bullet." The one that allegedly changed direction, paused, and so on. That is only true if both Kennedy and Connoly were sitting bolt-upright, and neither was.
The fact remains, the back entrance wound, the throat wound, and Connelly's wounds simply have never been proved to line up, and never will. The angles are all wrong as shown by photos and JFK's clothes.
Shot three was the kill. Jim Garrison believed that JFK's head going back and to the left meant that it must have been shot from left and to the front. Every expert and experiment says otherwise.
Three shots.
One of them a product of Specters imagination.
One gun, one shooter, three shots. All the available evidence supports that.
The lone gunman theorists love that mantra.
The conspiracy theorists love to quote a lack of evidence as evidence of a cover-up. With apologies to Dr. Freud, sometimes a murder is just a murder. Case closed. Oh, I wish.
We all do. -- That's exactly why all the gov't evidence should be declassified, just as this book calls for.
Inspector Sidney Wang? Sam Diamond?
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