DungeonMaster originally said — “Probably not a genuine UFO since there is no live on any other planets, per the bible.”
Then later on null and void said — “You have claimed the Bible specifically says there is no life elsewhere in the universe. Justify your claim. Be specific. It is a very specific, simple, straightforward. clear and absolute claim.”
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There are a lot of things that come into this, from many different angles.
The very first is that all that was made or has been made or has ever existed or lives or was ever given life (outside of the uncaused, uncreated, self-existent God of the Bible, in the form of the Trinity, God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) — has been created by this God (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob).
So, the question here is what did God make and create in the way of life, in the universe?
Well we are told that He made the angels, different classes of them, and they were created to carry out His bidding. They are specifically His “messengers” to do His bidding. And we see that these angels are also called to “account” for what they are doing, too — by what we see in Job.
Furthermore, everything is under God’s control in that they have to seek permission for doing certain things, as in the case of Satan, as He went to “present himself before the Lord” (it says “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord”). The sons of God are the various angels that God has created, individually, as we’re told they do not procreate. They are created and that’s it for them.
Mankind procreates, so only Adam was the original “son of God” in the sense that he was “made out of whole cloth” (so to speak) as the individual angels were. All the people after Adam (with the exception of Eve, as she was a special creation *from Adam*) — are “sons of man”. So, we have the “sons of God” and the “sons of man” in the Bible.
Jesus, by the way, is also referred to as the “Son of man”, in that He was God, but has been “incarnated” in human form. And also, in another play on words, I suspect, in that Adam was head of the race and was a “son of God” (being a special creation of God), likewise Jesus is the “Son of Man” being a “special creation” of God (in His *incarnation* only, though), and thus, the “new head of the race” — replacing Adam’s failed “headship” in the Garden of Eden.
Now, in the Garden of Eden, the entirety of creation, all of creation, was subjected to *judgement* on account of Adam and Eve (but laid to Adam’s account as the head of the race, of the sons of man) — because of sin. At that point, everything that was before, was changed, throughout the universe and it was all subjected to “futility” and decay and death. Prior to that point, when everthing was made, it operated and functioned under different laws and rules, as God originally created it. Afterwards, death and decay entered into the entirety of creation. And “afterwards” (when we “fast forward” to the end of the entire “story of mankind”) we see that it will once again be “recreated” back to its original and perfect condition, through what we’re told in the Bible, and all will be made new again — the old being totally destroyed and obliterated, and the “new” — which is actually a reversion back to the “original” will once again be in place.
So, before that happens, all will be judged (that’s at the Great White Throne judgement). And after that, the entirety of creation is destroyed and remade. And from that point on, all those who have been with Christ (and those angels, too who did not rebel, 1/3 did and they’re cast into the lake of fire) — live with God, forevermore, in this new creation that He makes at this time, totally and completely replacing the old creationk, which has been subjected to death, decay and futility.
Now, we know that all that has ever existed has only come from God, Himself, and we see what the final state of “being” is — in that God tells us that it’s to be mankind, living in perfect peace and harmony with God and the angels, after the complete destruction of the old creation, with the “recreation” of the new, back to the original state as it was when God first created it.
So, one might want to say that, “Well, there are others out there that live in civilizations that we just don’t know about, because we weren’t told about them. Well, if so, then God knows about them, since He is the One that created them. And furthermore, it would appear to be like “throwing them away” — when the entirety of creation is destroyed and they are destroyed as part of that creation.
We’re part of that creation, too, along with the angels, however, we will be with God, because of Jesus, coming into the domain of mankind, in forming Himself as a *real man* (that’s why theology makes a strong point of Jesus being fully man and fully God) — in order to provide “salvation” for mankind. And you see, the *blame* for the entire creations being subjected to *death and decay* is laid at the feet of mankind, itself. So, it takes the “salvation” of mankind, through Jesus Christ — to restore the entirety of creation back to its pristine condition.
BUT, if there is another civilization out there, can you imagine how upset they would be knowing that mankind caused their civilization to experience death and disease and decay for the first time, something for which they had nothing to do with? And furthermore, can you imagine that other civilization feeling left out, because apparently, they have nothing (no part) in this salvation and nothing to do with earth and earth seems to be getting the *full attention* of God — to the point where God punished the *entirety* of creation, itself — for something that happened on earth?
Yep, that would seem to make for some mighty pissed civilizations, all right. LOL...
The point of the whole matter is that when you realize that God is the source for creation, and you realize that all of creation was subjected to death and decay for something that happened *exclusively* to mankind, alone, and you realize that one of the “Godhead” becomes an *actual human being* (and no one part of the Godhead becomes any other “alien race” of peoples) — that would definitely give any other alien race a *real inferiority complex* all right. And like I said — they would probably start getting really, really pissed about the whole thing, not only suffering for what they had no part of in the first place, but furthermore, having the Creator God actually *become* a human being, and on top of that, have that race of human beings, being so exclusively singled out, that when they are “saved” and all is said and done — then and only then, is the entirety of creation brought back to its pristine and original state. And furthermore — it’s *only* that human race that is spoken about “living with God Himself, and no one else is.”
Man!! Talk about *being left out* — if I were any other alien race in space, I would be trying to *destroy* these humans...
BUT, in fact, that’s happening. There is another “race” you see..., it’s the angels. And they are “pissed” — actually. Well, some of them are, you see. Those 1/2 who rebelled against God, because they figured that God had “gone off on the deep end” when He showed so much favoritism to the humans — when, everyone knows, the “angels” were here first! And those humans are so ignorant and puny anyway — so why do they get all the advantages?
And so, what we *do have* is an alien race — actually *attacking* the human race and has been doing so for a long time. Those are the fallen angels, the 1/3 who rebelled against God and His plan on how to restore the entirety of creation back to its original and pristine state. They figure that they will try to *attack* the *very object* of God’s attention, in a way to “get back at God, Himself”.
So, there’s the story. If you can insert another “alien race” in there, feel free to do so. But, whoever you insert in there, just remember — they are going to be *might pissed* at us, for messing things up for them, too...
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And to throw in another post here, Post #326 from Oberon...
You could also argue from a Biblical perspective that there is, in fact, life on other planets. From the Gospel of John:
“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me — just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.” - John 10:14-16
I wouldn’t argue that extraterrestrial life is the only possible interpretation of the above verse, but I would argue that it’s a possible one.
Like I said above, that possible “life on other planets” (supposedly in the form of civilizations) would be *might pissed* at us for messing up their lives so thoroughly, in that we brougth death, disease, decay and the ultimate and coming *total destruction* of creation — by God’s hands.
Man..., if they saw us — they would probably give us a “big collective punch in the nose!” for doing that to them...
But, also, like I said — that’s already happening now, and that other “alien race” are those fallen angels who are trying to *destroy* humanity right now. So, they are doing all they can to accomplish that very thing...
They figure that if “they’re going down” — they’re going to “take us down with them...”
Regards,
Star Traveler
You are a much more patient person than I am. ;-)
Man!! Talk about *being left out* — if I were any other alien race in space, I would be trying to *destroy* these humans...
Sounds like the møøslimbs and the Joooooooooooos, to me. Come to think of it, it sounds like pretty much anyone and the Jews...
I am curious about one point. You said Mankind procreates, yet in Genesis 6 it's pretty clear that at least some Angels procreated as well.
I also respectfully disagree with your reasoning about the rest of the universe not being eligible for salvation. Even for a mere human father with many children, each is special, and he tells each and every one that very thing.
“The point of the whole matter is that when you realize that God is the source for creation, and you realize that all of creation was subjected to death and decay for something that happened *exclusively* to mankind, alone, and you realize that one of the “Godhead” becomes an *actual human being* (and no one part of the Godhead becomes any other “alien race” of peoples) — that would definitely give any other alien race a *real inferiority complex* all right. And like I said — they would probably start getting really, really pissed about the whole thing, not only suffering for what they had no part of in the first place, but furthermore, having the Creator God actually *become* a human being, and on top of that, have that race of human beings, being so exclusively singled out, that when they are “saved” and all is said and done — then and only then, is the entirety of creation brought back to its pristine and original state. And furthermore — it’s *only* that human race that is spoken about “living with God Himself, and no one else is.”
Man!! Talk about *being left out* — if I were any other alien race in space, I would be trying to *destroy* these humans...”
What you actually just described is anti-semitism and replacement theology of how Christianity has opposed Judaism through it’s history, but using your Christian terminology.
Chosen doesn’t mean superior, it means chosen to receive the law.