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Contemplative Prayer vs. Biblical Prayer
Earnestly Contend... ^ | April 6, 2006 | Christine A. Narloch

Posted on 04/18/2007 7:52:06 AM PDT by pby

Contemplative Prayer: Seducing Spirits and a Doctrine of Devils By Christine A. Narloch Republished: 04/06/06

INTRODUCTION

BIBLICAL PRAYER

CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER

FALSE TEACHINGS

UNFRUITFUL RESULTS

AVOID FALSE TEACHINGS

Our pastor, David L. Brown, approached my husband Mike and me asking if I could take the time to carefully research and publish a report on Contemplative Prayer. This is the report he requested. Its purpose is to compare the Bible’s model for prayer to Contemplative Prayer thus exposing the grievous errors of Contemplative Prayer. It is a condensed overview providing a springboard for further research.

INTRODUCTION

According to Webster’s 1828 Dictionary, “contemplate” is defined as “to view or consider with continued attention; to study; to meditate on.” 1

“Prayer” is defined as “in worship, a solemn address to the Supreme Being, consisting of adoration, or an expression of our sense of God's glorious perfections, confession of our sins, supplication for mercy and forgiveness, intercession for blessings on others, and thanksgiving, or an expression of gratitude to God for his mercies and benefits.” 2

Yet there is a type of prayer being taught today which is far from the above definitions and even further from Biblical prayer. It’s known as Contemplative Prayer. Since the Bible is to be our guideline for faith and practice and since we are to use it to discern good from evil (Hebrews 5:14, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, Acts 17:11), let’s compare the teachings of Biblical prayer to those of Contemplative Prayer.

BIBLICAL PRAYER According to the Bible, prayer is talking to God the Father (Philippians 4:6), through the Lord Jesus Christ (John 16:23), by people who are born again (John 3:7), according to the Scriptures (Micah 7:7, Psalm 4:3, 1 John 5:14,15).

The Bible is clear, the prayers of unbelievers are not heard by God. “Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” John 9:31 “The LORD [is] far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.” Proverbs 15:29 (Psalm 34:16, Proverbs 15:8a). Nor are prayers of disobedient born again believers heard. “If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear [me]:” Psalm 66:18 (Proverbs 28:9, James 4:3, 5:16c).

God hears the prayers of repentant sinners turning to Christ as Savior (Mark 1:15), and obedient believers. “And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.” 1 John 3:22 (1 John 5:14, John 15:7, Psalms 34:15, Proverbs 15:8b).

There are many examples of Old Testament believers who prayed. Just a few include: Abraham, Moses, Daniel, David as well as Elijah, Ezekial, Ezra, Nehemiah and Habakkuk. Abraham prayed for a son, he prayed for Ishmael, for Sodom, and for Abimelech, (Genesis 15-24). Daniel prayed for the Jews, (Daniel 9:3-19) and for knowledge (Daniel 2:17-23). David prayed for the Jews, for knowledge, for blessing, for help, for guidance, for grace, and for justice.

Examples in the New Testament of those who prayed include Jesus praying to God the Father at Lazarus’s tomb (John 11:41-42). Jesus prayed submitting to the Father’s will (Matthew 26:39-44), and he asked God to forgive those who crucified him (Luke 23:34).

The Lord Jesus Christ prayed for believers of that day (John 17:9), and future believers (John 17:20). He requested they be sanctified by the truth (John 17:17).

He instructed his disciples to pray to God the Father (Luke 11:2), specifically for the Kingdom to come, for God’s will to be done, for daily food provision, for their sins to be forgiven, they would forgive others, they not be lead into temptation, and to be delivered from doing evil. His instructions to believers include to pray with humility (Luke 18:13), to pray alone (Matthew 6:6), for those who despitefully use them (Luke 6:28), that God would send people to preach the gospel (Luke 10:2), and as you pray, forgive others (Mark 11:2). Jesus promised that the Father rewards those openly who seek Him in prayer privately (Matthew 6:6).

When the Apostle Paul prayed, he prayed with understanding (1 Corinthians 14:15), and with joy (Philippians 1:4). He prayed for believers not to do evil but good (2 Corinthians 13:7), to be filled with knowledge, wisdom and understanding, (Colossians 1:9) to abound in love, understanding and all judgment (Philemon 1:9), to be without wrath and doubt in God’s Word (1 Timothy 2:8), to pray without ceasing (1 Thessalonians 5:17), to pray when afflicted (James 5:13), to pray for one another, (James 5:16) and to pray against evil, (Ephesians 6:12,18). Paul requested prayer for himself and those with him to preach the word boldly (Ephesians 6:18-19), that the word they share would do it’s work, (2 Thessalonians 3:1) and that they would have a good conscience (Hebrews 13:18).

In Proverbs 2:1-11, God promises to answer prayers of believers who ask to understand His word and desire to obey it. He provides knowledge, wisdom and understanding through the words of His mouth which are written in the Bible. It states:

1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;

2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;

3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;

4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;

5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

7 He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.

8 He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.

9 Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; yea, every good path.

10 When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;

11 Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:

An entire book of examples concerning prayer in the Bible could and perhaps should be written. This was just a sample.

Additionally, for believers who aren’t able to pray, the Holy Spirit intercedes according to God’s will (Romans 8:26) and Jesus who is now at the right hand of the Father, intercedes for believers (Romans 8:34).

The Bible also contains several warnings concerning prayer. “Use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]” (Matthew 6:7), do not pray self-righteously (Luke 18:11), avoid hypocritical prayer, praying to be seen of men (Matthew 6:5) or praying to show off in front of others (Luke 20:46, 47).

With these examples and instructions in mind, let’s now examine Contemplative Prayer.

CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER

In the 1970’s, three mystic Roman Catholic monks, Fr. William Meninger, Fr. Basil Pennington and Abbot Thomas Keating (head monk) labeled Centering Prayer as a “method of prayer, which prepares us to receive the gift of God's presence, traditionally called contemplative prayer”. It is “…the opening of mind and heart - our whole being - to God… whom we know by faith is within us… Contemplative Prayer is a prayer of silence, an experience of God’s presence…” 3

The Contemplative Outreach Ltd. website featuring Thomas Keating’s teachings, provides further insight into the method of Contemplative Prayer and lists the guidelines to practice it. It states:

“This method of prayer is a movement beyond conversation with Christ to communion with Him.” “The source of Centering Prayer, as in all methods leading to Contemplative Prayer, is the indwelling Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. “ “It is also inspired by writings of major contributors to the Christian contemplative heritage including John Cassian, the anonymous author of The Cloud of Unknowing, Francis de Sales, Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross, Thérèse of Lisieux, and Thomas Merton.” Emphasis Added

Contemplative Prayer “Guidelines include:

1. Choose a sacred word as the symbol of your intention to consent to God’s presence and action within.

2. Sitting comfortably and with eyes closed, settle briefly and silently introduce the sacred word as the symbol of your consent to God’s presence and action within.

3. When engaged with your thoughts*, return ever-so gently to the sacred word.

4. At the end of the prayer period, remain in silence with eyes closed for a couple of minutes.

*Thoughts include body sensations, feelings, images, and reflections.” 4 Emphasis Added

In my research, it became clear that these Roman Catholic monks were influenced by pagan Eastern Religions. "During the twenty years (1961-1981) when Keating was abbot, St. Joseph's held dialogues with Buddhist and Hindu representatives; and a Zen master gave a week-long retreat to the monks. A former Trappist monk who had become a Transcendental Meditation teacher also gave a session to the monks.” 5

Not Prayer But Mystical Meditation

Contemplative Prayer is not Biblical prayer at all, rather it is a type of mystical meditation leading the mind into an altered state of consciousness. It goes beyond thought, providing an experiential union with so-called God or with nature producing body sensations, feelings, images, and reflections.

It is based on “experiences” rather than sound doctrine. “… give attendance… to doctrine.” 1 Timothy 4:13. Faith is to be based on God’s word rather than experiences. “So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” Romans 10:17, “For we walk by faith, not by sight:” 2 Corinthians 5:7.

Contemplative Prayer is also known as centering prayer, listening prayer, breath prayer, and prayer of the heart. It is just one of many mystical practices taught within a confusing, mixed-up movement called Contemplative Spirituality.

Mystical practices are now widely embraced and taught in secular and professed Christian seminaries, colleges, universities, organizations, ministries and seminars, etc. throughout the United States. Academic promoters have introduced these practices into the fields of medicine, business and law while countless secular and Christian books, magazines, seminars, and retreats are teaching lay people how to incorporate them into their daily lives. Promoters promise physical, mental and spiritual benefits desiring to bring about positive social change.

One promoter of mystical practices, the “Center for Contemplative Mind in Society”, states:

They “can play a part in the positive transformation of governments, businesses, and organizations. We are dedicated to the idea that contemplative awareness, when incorporated into contemporary life, can help produce a more just, compassionate, and reflective society.” 6

The following Contemplative Practices are listed on their website:

“- Movement (martial arts, dance, yoga, labyrinth walking, etc.)

- Creation (singing, chanting, art, music, etc.)

- Relational (dialogue, deep listening, storytelling, journaling, etc)

- Ritual/cyclical (shabbot, vision quest, sweatlodge, alter building, ceremonies/rituals etc,)

- Activist (work, pilgrimage, mindfulness, vigals/marches, etc.)

- Generative (prayer, lectio divina, petitionary prayer, etc.)

- Stillness (silence, prayer centering, insight & sitting meditation, quieting & clearing the mind)” 7

Emphasis Added

Stillness, listed as the last practice includes prayer centering also known as Contemplative Prayer.

Contemplative Prayer is Practiced Far and Wide

While Western religions falsely label Contemplative Prayer as “Christian” and “prayer”, Eastern Pagan religions such Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufi Muslims have long practiced mystical meditation. A variety of occult and New Age devotees also practice mystical meditation styles consistent with Contemplative Prayer.

Since this method of meditation is mystical in nature, it is important that you know the definition of “mysticism”. An on-line Occult Encyclopedia defines it as:

“A belief in or the pursuit in the unification with the One or some other principle; the immediate consciousness of God; or the direct experience of religious truth. Mysticism is nearly universal and unites most religions in the quest for divinity.”

It goes on to state, "Mysticism from the East or from Western traditions relies on techniques such as:

-repetitive prayers,

-repeating over and over a word or phrase (mantras, which maybe names of deity),

-contemplations of icons or images real or imagined,

-also involved are methods of emptying the mind,

-extreme asceticism and

-in some cultures the use of hallucinogenic drugs.”

“Through these and other methods the mind goes blank or passive and one enters an altered state of consciousness. Buddhists call this state Nirvana or Satori... New Age people call it at-one-ness, etc..., Christian mystics perceive they have experienced some kind of ecstatic union with God." 8

“In mysticism, the altered state of consciousness may be total or partial. When partial, the state of consciousness is usually only a feeling. Most generally this feeling is one of unity with God, or the universe, or of enlightenment.” “The experience of being united with God or nature is called a mystical experience.” 9

Philosopher W. T. Stace, “discovered seven common themes of mysticism when studying Roman Catholic, Protestant, ancient classical, Hindu, and American agnostic mystical experiences. They were (1) a unifying vision and perception of the One by the senses and through many objects; (2) the apprehension of the One as an inner life; (3) and objective and true sense of reality; (4) feelings of satisfaction, joy, and bliss; (5) a religious element that is a feeling of the holy and sacred; (6) a paradoxical feeling; (7) and inexpressible feelings.” 10

Are They Experiencing God or Seducing Spirits?

Contemplative Prayer is described as “an experience of God’s presence” and “movement beyond conversation with Christ to communion with Him” resulting in “…body sensations, feelings, images, and reflections”. 11

So whose “presence” are these people really experiencing? Interestingly, the Universal Gnostic Church provides some insight through their guidelines for “Working With Your Spirit Guides”:

“If you do not already know your spirit guides, we recommend you start speaking to them. The basic way of doing this is through meditation and listening to your intuitive insights.”

“Meditation: Meditation is a process of moving your consciousness into higher planes while remaining in the physical plane. There are several meditative techniques. The Universal Gnostic Church teaches three excellent techniques for those who want to work with their spirit guides. Essene Healing Breath Meditation, Kriya Power Meditation, and Contemplative Meditation.”

“If you already know who your spirit guides are, we recommend you work with them on a regular basis. You can do that through channeling, visualization and ritual, divination and prayer.”

”Channeling: Channeling is a process of recording or repeating out loud for others what your spirit guides tell you or show you. You can do this by writing it all down or by recording it with an electronic device. You may also do it by repeating what is said in a private session or to a large group. You may allow your spirit guides to bring other disincarnate people to deliver messages to you. When you channel, you're working with your spirit guides.”

”Visualization and Ritual: Visualization of your spirit guides is a step toward seeing them in the physical dimension. The easiest way to learn how to visualize your spirit guides and guardian angel is through the teachings of the Magickal Order of the Golden Dawn. They teach both the skills of visualization and ritually working with your spirit guides and guardian angel.”

“Prayer. Praying with your spirit guides is an excellent way to develop a closer relationship with them. The Universal Gnostic Church recommends Intentional Prayer and Contemplative Prayer for that purpose.” Emphasis Added 12

Regardless of what the “presence” is labeled (Spirit Guides, Guardian Angels, Jesus, God, etc.) these people are actually experiencing seducing spirits also known as demons (1 Timothy 4:1,7).

And this is all accomplished through various methods of Spiritism, also known as Necromancy.

“Spiritism or Necromancy is an occult activity grounded in the belief that through certain persons acting as mediums or channels (psychics, necromancers, channelers, etc.) the dead or the spirit world can be contacted and hidden information can be acquired from those contacted. Trances and seances are often used by the medium. The power behind this activity is demonic. This activity is forbidden by the Lord. 1 Chronicles 10:13, So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it. (1 Sam. 28:7 gives the context).” 13

In the case of Contemplative Prayer, the individual is really acting as the channeler or necromancer communicating with demons. This is strictly forbidden in the Scriptures.

“When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.” Deuteronomy 18:9-12

Thus, those who practice and promote Contemplative Prayer are really an abomination unto the LORD!

Quotes from Promoters of Contemplative Practices

We “should all without shame enroll as apprentices in the school of contemplative prayer."

—Richard Foster, Pastor and Author of the book “Celebration of Discipline”, p. 13, 1978 ed.

Recommends "Richard Foster's meaningful work... Celebration of Discipline...", p.15

"Discipline. This is the means for having intimacy with God. ... Discipline is control gained by enforced obedience. It is the deliberate cultivation of inner order.

So how are intimacy and discipline connected? ...Discipline is the means to that end.", p.21

—Chuck Swindoll, Pastor and Author of the book “So, You Want to Be Like Christ? Eight Essentials to Get You There.”

(Note: Understanding and obeying God’s word as well as prayer is the means for having intimacy with God.

Not the “discipline” of contemplative practices providing mystical experiences.)

"Contemplative prayer is nothing other than coming into consciousness of what is already there." —Brennan Manning, Catholic Priest and Author of the book “Signature of Jesus”

"Use 'breath prayers' throughout the day, as many Christians have done for centuries.

You choose a brief sentence or a simple phrase that can be repeated to Jesus in one breath."

—Rick Warren, Pastor and Author of the book “The Purpose-Driven Life”, p. 89.

"Choose a sacred word or phrase. Consistently use the same word throughout the prayer.

Begin silently to repeat your sacred word or phrase" —Mark Yaconelli, Youth Specialties, National Pastor's Convention

"As we find ourselves caught up in this meditation, we soon enough realize another change has occurred.

We have almost effortlessly been transported over into a passive "contemplation" beyond thoughts, emotions, images, forms, or words."

—John Michael Talbot, Christian Musician

Promoters of Contemplative Practices

The following is a list of just some of the secular and religious promoters of Contemplative Prayer provided by the “Lighthouse Trails Research Project” 14 website:

BAILEY, ALICE : Founder of the Arcane School, an offshoot of Theosophy - authored several books through a "spirit guide." BLANCHARD, KEN: Founder of Ken Blanchard Companies and “Lead Like Jesus” Leadership Conferences.

BROTHER LAWRENCE: (1605-1691) Carmelite layman, author of “Practicing the Presence of God”. Believed God was in all things.

CANFIELD, JACK: Creator and author of the “Chicken Soup for the Soul” series. *New Age. CRABB, LARRY: *Christian Clinical Psychologist, author, Spiritual Director and Advisor for American Association of Christian Counselors. EDWARDS, TILDEN: Founder of the Shalem Prayer Institute in WA, DC FOSTER, RICHARD: Quaker and Founder of Renovare and author of “Celebration of Discipline”, *the General Editor of “Renovare Spiritual Formation Bible”, and “Prayer: Finding the Heart’s True Home”. FOX, MATTHEW: Former Dominican priest and author of “The Coming of the Cosmic Christ”; developed Creation Spirituality; believes that God and Christ are in all things.

KEATING, THOMAS: Catholic monk, Co-father of the modern day Contemplative Prayer Movement.

KIMBALL, DAN: Author of “The Emerging Church” and a leader in the Emerging Church Movement. Promotes labyrinths and lectio divina.

MANNING, BRENNAN: Former Catholic priest, author of “Ragamuffin Gospel”, and “Abba’s Child”.

MARX HUBBARD, BARBARA: Influential New Ager who says of Christians: "Unaware of our evolutionary potential, they [Christians] prevent the action and response needed to transcend the terrestrial phase of our existence. They would annihilate the possibility of Universal Humanity by claiming we have no right to achieve it." MCLAREN, BRIAN: Considered the main leader of the Emerging Church Movement, *New Age Promoter, Pastor

MERTON, THOMAS: Now deceased Catholic monk *who wanted “to become as good a Buddhist as I can." (Steindl-Rast, 1969); quoted often by Richard Foster.

NOUWEN, HENRI: Deceased Catholic theologian, *Contemplative Universalist, author of “In the Name of Jesus” and “The Way of the Heart”.

PECK, M. SCOTT: *Psychiatrist, Author of “The Road Less Traveled”. SCHULLER, ROBERT: Pastor of Crystal Cathedral and the "Hour of Power" television program. *Promotes Psychology

SANFORD, AGNES: *Author of ”Healing Light”, taught that the “Kingdom of God is within you”. SHANNON, WILLIAM: New Age biographer of Thomas Merton.

TEASDALE, WAYNE: Coined the term “interspirituality”. TERESA OF AVILA: *Catholic nun, author of "Book of Foundations", Quoted by Foster, Peterson.

UNDERHILL, EVELYN: *Roman Catholic, author of “Mysticism”, wrote 39 books and over 350 articles.

WALSCH, NEAL DONALD: Author of “Conversations with God” and New Age leader who said, " The era of the Single Savior is over. What is needed now is joint action, combined effort, collective co-creation." p. 157

WARREN, RICK: Pastor and author of the “Purpose-Driven Life”. *Promotes his Global P.E.A.C.E. plan involving 400,000 churches.

WILLIAMSON, MARIANNE: Contributed to making “A Course in Miracles” well known; currently involved with the Department of Peace. YACONELLI, MIKE: The late founder and owner of Youth Specialties; promoted Contemplative Spirituality. [Mike passed away in 2003]. YACONELLI, MARK: Son of the late Mike Yaconelli - very active in the Contemplative Prayer Movement.

*Extra notes added by author.

Additional Promotors

BLACKABY, HENRY: Author of “Experiencing God” workbook and seminars. Taught among SBC and Roman Catholics. Promoted by Rick Warren.

HYBELS, BILL: Pastor of Willowcreek Community Church, Hosts conferences with Contemplative Speakers such as Larry Crabb and Brian McLaren. Hosted “Lead Like Jesus” 2004 Conference with Ken Blanchard.

JEREMIAH, DAVID: Pastor of “Turning Point Ministries”, Author of “Life Wide Open”, Speaker at Ken Blanchard’s “Lead Like Jesus Seminars” and America Association of Christian Counselors.

LUCADO, MAX: Author and Founder of UpWords. Speaker on an instructional DVD on Contemplative Prayer, titled “Be Still” which includes Richard Foster.

MONK KID, SUE: Mystic Author of “God's Joyful Surprise” a spiritual memoir describing her advent into contemplative Christian spirituality and “When the Heart Waits”.

MOORE, BETH: Founder of Living Proof Ministries for women. Speaker on an instructional DVD on Contemplative Prayer, titled “Be Still” which includes Richard Foster.

NEE, WATCHMAN: Mystic Author of “The Spiritual Man”.

ORTBERG, JOHN: Author of “Closer Than You Think”, 2005 favorably quotes contemplatives.

PETERSON, EUGENE: Author of “The Message” bible translation and the book “The Contemplative Pastor”. Endorses Foster.

SENGE, PETER: Buddhist, Author and Founder of Society for Organizational Learning. New Age.

SMITH, MICHAEL W.: Christian Musician. Promoter of Brennan Manning’s book “Above All”.

STANLEY, CHARLES: SBC Evangelical Pastor, Author “How to Listen to God”. Espouses the belief that God continues to speak to man today outside of His Word. In the 9/93 In Touch magazine, Stanley quotes favorably from mystic Richard Foster's book “The Celebration of Discipline” (9/22).

STANLEY, ANDY: Pastor, Spoke at Ken Blanchard’s “Lead Like Jesus” Conference in October, 2005.

SWINDOLL, CHUCK: Evangelical Pastor of “Insight for Living”, author of “So, You Want to Be Like Christ? Eight Essentials to Get You There.” (A book on the solitude and silence of Contemplative Prayer.)

TALBOT, JOHN MICHAEL: Christian Musician. Practices Tai Chi and Yoga. Writes on “Christian Meditation”.

Christian College Promotors

Many Christian Colleges promote Contemplative Spirituality. They include Wheaton College Graduate School, Biola University, Dallas Theological Seminary, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Northern Baptist Theological Seminary. For a complete list, visit the “Lighthouse Trails Research Project” website. 15

Promoted through Church and Ministry Programs

Programs promoting Contemplative Practices include: Alpha Courses, Taizé, Lectio Divina, The Labyrinth (prayer walk), Renovaré, Guided Imagery, Walk to Emmaus, Cursillo, Centering Prayer, Ignatian Awareness Examen, The Jesus Prayer, and The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius. 16 Ministries include: Youth Specialities, Youth for Christ, Nav Press, Church Growth Institute and Awana Clubs. 17

Promoted through the Emerging Church Movement

Another whole paper could be written on the Emerging Church movement lead by Brian McLaren. In my research, I’ve discovered this movement is fueled by those who are tired of the Mega churches and desire to experience “so-called” God in a fresh and new way. Much of the movement includes Contemplative Practices. Interestingly, Rick Warren is excited about such a movement. 18

The Goal

One of the goals mentioned earlier is to bring about social change. Yet in reality, it is contributing to a universal spirituality (religious or irreligious) apart from the Bible.

Ray Yungen, author of “A Time of Departing” states "...contemplative prayer also stands on the threshold of exploding worldwide. Dr. Larry Crabb, spiritual director for the 50,000 member American Association of Christian Counselors, has written the foreword to a recent book 37 that expounds on the future of spiritual direction in the evangelical church. The authors the book promotes are... Nouwen, Merton, Foster, Keating, Pennington, etc. …With that in mind, Dr. Crabb predicted: 'The spiritual climate is ripe. Jesus seekers across the world are being prepared to abandon the old way of the written code for the new way of the Spirit.’" 19 Emphasis added.

When Clinical Psychologist, Larry Crabb advocates not walking in “old way of the written code”, he means abandoning a careful, obedient walk of faith according to all of God’s word. The “new way of the Spirit” means utilizing Contemplative Practices to experience God. The Bible says, “Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where [is] the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk [therein].”

Contemplative Outreach Ltd. states (of the false church), “For the Church's first sixteen centuries Contemplative Prayer was the goal of Christian spirituality. After the Reformation, this living tradition was virtually lost. Today, with cross-cultural dialogue and historical research, the recovery of the Christian contemplative heritage has begun. The method of Centering Prayer, in the tradition of Lectio Divina (praying the scriptures) is contributing to this renewal.” 20 Lectio Divina is a mantra whereby a single phrase or word of scripture is repeated over and over; leading to an “experiential” union with “so-called” God. It’s a vain repetition strictly forbidden in the Bible.

The goal of the true Biblical church is the Great Commission given to believers by Jesus Christ - not Contemplative Prayer. “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.” Matthew 28:19-20

Promoters of Contemplative Practices are not teaching the commands of Jesus Christ.

FALSE TEACHINGS

After comparing Scriptures pertaining to Biblical prayer to the teachings of Contemplative Prayer, the error is glaring. None of these contemplative practices are advocated in Scripture. When anyone chooses not to abide by sound doctrine, the result is a faulty faith based on experiences or fables instead of the sure Word of God. Scripture states, “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:3,4

Listen to this observation by David W. Cloud: “The mystical “spirituality” that is so popular in evangelical and charismatic circles today is a yearning for an experiential relationship with God that downplays the role of faith and Scripture and that exalts “transcendental” experiences that lift the individual from the earthly mundane into a higher “spiritual” plane. Biblical prayer is talking with God; mystical spirituality prayer is meditation and “centering” and other such things. Biblical Christianity is a patient walk of faith; mystical spirituality is more a flight of fancy. Biblical study is analyzing and meditating upon the literal truth of the Scripture; mystical spirituality focuses on a “deeper meaning”; it is more allegorical and “transcendental” than literal.” 21

True faith can only come by the hearing of the Word of God. “So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God”. Romans 10:17 The mind of the believer is then to be transformed by the Word of God which reveals God’s will for the believer. "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12:2 All of the mind is to be used to love God according to His Word. “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.” Matthew 22:37

Believers are to have a sound mind. “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” 2 Timothy 1:7. A mind in an altered state of consciousness inviting demon activity is anything but a sound mind. It is entertaining a seducing spirit masquerading as an angel of light, 2 Corinthians 11:14. Every thought of the believer is to brought to the obedience of Christ rather than influenced by demons, our own flesh or the world. “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;” 2 Corinthians 10:5.

UNFRUITFUL RESULTS

Contemplative Practices are infiltrating evangelical and fundamental churches which is contributing to the unbiblical Ecumenical movement already underway. This is due to Pastors ignoring sound doctrine and allowing false teachings.

Ecumenicalism (also known as Interdenominationism, Interfaith, and Interspiritualism) is a movement toward a worldwide false church consisting of religions (including false, apostate Christians) joining together by:

1. Agreeing on a portion of biblical doctrines or as they often state “core teachings,”

2. Ignoring the remaining biblical doctrines and 3. Promoting false doctrines. (Psychology, Evolution, Contemplative Practices etc.)

It is a religious unity movement falsely promoted in the name of God’s love yet it is not based on the full counsel of God. This false Ecumenical unity causes great confusion and error to those not well grounded in God’s Word.

In Richard Foster's book “Streams of Living Water”, he says the following with regard to his vision for "a great gathering of the people of God: "I see a Catholic monk from the hills of Kentucky standing alongside a Baptist evangelist ... I see a people". 22

"Contemplative consciousness," says [Thomas] Merton, is "a trans-cultural, trans-religious, trans-formed consciousness … it can shine through this or that system, religious or irreligious" 23

So what does the Bible have to say when it comes to dealing with false teachings? God commands true believers to “...come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you” 2 Corinthians 6:17.

Contemplative Prayer appears to be paving the way to the False Prophet's One World Religious system mentioned in Revelations 17 and 18. Revelation 18:4, though specifically referring to the time when the Antichrist rules on earth, offers good advice for believers to follow today in the matter of demonic teachings such as Contemplative Prayer -- "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

AVOID FALSE TEACHINGS

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself [rather] unto godliness.” 1 Timothy 4:1, 7

First, if you are not born again according to the Word of God, I would invite you to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ alone for salvation.

Second, to protect yourself from seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, use the King James Version of the Bible. Despite numerous myths, thorough research reveals the KJV is the most accurate English word for word translation. It includes all of the words; no verses or portions of verses are missing. The Bible says “every word” of God is important (Proverbs 14:15, Proverbs 30:5, Matthew 4:4). Modern counterfeit bibles including “The Message” by Eugene Peterson and “Renovare Spiritual Formation Bible”, have replaced God’s words with New Age terminology further deceiving unsuspecting readers.

Dave Hunt expresses his concern. "Many Christian leaders promote wicked Bible versions such as Eugene Peterson's The Message (NavPress, 1993: see TBC Oct '95) that pervert God's Word. Men like Peterson have no conscience about changing what God says, replacing His words with their own. Peterson is praised for this perversion by many Christian leaders such as J.I. Packer, Warren Wiersbe, Jack W. Hayford, and Richard Foster, founder of the Renovare Movement and General Editor of the “Renovare Spiritual Formation Bible” (Harper San Francisco, 2005”. 24

Third, study the Scriptures in their context and define the words using Strong’s Concordance. False teachings are typically based on Scriptures, or portions of verses, taught outside of the context they were written. Satan misquoted God’s Word to Jesus himself. Yet, Jesus defeated Satan by quoting Scripture accurately.

Fourth, have faith in what God teaches you in His Word and obey it. Satan is great at leading people to doubt God’s Word. Remember, the old Serpent deceived Eve, leading her first to doubt His Word, then deny God’s Word, which lead to her deifying herself – she chose her own way instead of God’s way. (Genesis 3:1,4,5)

Fifth, before you choose to read any literature, research the authors’ beliefs and practices. Understand their definitions for terms and compare them to scripture. Also, learn who they endorse and associate with.

Sixth, if you realize you have accepted a false teaching, confess it as sin, repent and obey the scriptures. The Scripture promises “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” James 4:7

Seventh, earnestly contend for the faith (Jude 1:3), by warning others of false teachings. 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove (convict), rebuke (admonish), exhort (instruct) with all long suffering and doctrine. 2 Timothy 4:2

Eighth, practice biblical separation from those who will not repent of false teachings. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.” 2 Timothy 2:15-18

ENDNOTES:

1 Webster’s 1828 Dictionary, http://www.cbtministries.org/resources/webster1828.htm

2 Webster’s 1828 Dictionary, http://www.cbtministries.org/resources/webster1828.htm

3 Contemplative Outreach, Ltd. http://www.contemplativeoutreach.org/cntrgpryr.htm#Centering%20Prayer

4 Contemplative Outreach, Ltd. http://www.contemplativeoutreach.org/methodcp.htm

5 Catholic Answers, "The Danger of Centering Prayer” by By Rev. John D. Dreher, http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9711fea1.asp

6 The Center for Contemplative Mind in Society, http://www.contemplativemind.org/about/faq.html

7 The Center for Contemplative Mind in Society, http://www.contemplativemind.org/practices/tree.html

8 Mystical Deception Files by Noah Dove, http://www.dtl.org/cults/article/mystical.htm

9 The Mystica Mythical-Folk, Occult Encyclopedia,

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/a/altered_states_of_consciousness.html

10 The Mystica Mythical-Folk, Occult Encyclopedia, http://www.themystica.org/mystica/articles/m/mysticism.html

11 Contemplative Outreach, Ltd. http://www.contemplativeoutreach.org/methodcp.htm

12 Universal Gnostic Church, http://universalgnostic.com/guides/

13 Logos Resource Pages, “Primer For Recognizing Occult Practices”, http://www.logosresourcepages.org/Occult/occult_primer.htm

14 Lighthouse Trails Research Project, http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/glossarynames.htm

15 Lighthouse Trails Research Project, http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/Colleges.htm

16 The Berean Call, http://www.thebereancall.org/Newsletters/2000+Newsletters/4493.aspx

17 Lighthouse Trails Research Project, http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/awanas.htm

18 Lighthouse Trails Research Project, http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/emergingchurch.htm

19 A Time of Departing by Ray Yungen, p.137; 37 -David G. Benner, Sacred Companions: The Gift of SpiritualFriendship & Direction, Intervarsity Press, Downers Grove, Illinois, 2002, p.9

20 Contemplative Outreach, Ltd. http://www.contemplativeoutreach.org/cntrgpryr.htm

21 Way of Life, David Cloud, http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/eugenepeterson-the-message.html

22 Council for Christian Colleges & Universities, article titled “Richard Foster” http://www.cccu.org/chem/profileID.69/profile.asp

23 “Thoughts on the East” p.34 by Thomas Merton

24 Dave Hunt, The Berean Call, August 2005 Newsletter, http://www.thebereancall.org/Newsletters/2005+Newsletters/107940.aspx


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To: netmilsmom
"What if we say The Lord’s Prayer many times a day? Is it vain repetition?"

Does the Lord say the Lord's Prayer is vain repetition? I haven't found Him saying that anywhere in the Bible. He does say that the heathens like to use vain repetitions and that we should not be like them.

41 posted on 04/18/2007 9:42:12 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: avenir
Get thee to the Scripture and test the spirits!

I will second that.

42 posted on 04/18/2007 9:45:02 AM PDT by pby
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To: outofstyle

There is nothing wrong with worshiping Jesus and Our Heavenly Father. You can repeat His name with joy and thanksgiving all you want. But the Lord does give us a model for prayer with specific instructions not to be like the heathens.

I personally believe that using the model in the Bible known as the Lord’s Prayer, is the best form of prayer because it was given to us by Christ Himself.


43 posted on 04/18/2007 9:52:49 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone
There is nothing wrong with worshiping Jesus and Our Heavenly Father. You can repeat His name with joy and thanksgiving all you want.

Thank you. I believe that God has already given me permission to do that, although pby would dispute that. I further believe that this form of prayer, His name spoken in "quiet joy" is what has been meant by "contemplative prayer" for centuries. Of course Christ taught us the Lord's Prayer. He is to be our example. He and the disciples and the prophets prayed in other ways as well.

44 posted on 04/18/2007 11:43:07 AM PDT by outofstyle
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To: Just another Joe
A C T S

That's wonderful. Thanks for sharing.

45 posted on 04/18/2007 11:45:09 AM PDT by alnick
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To: alnick

You’re quite welcome.


46 posted on 04/18/2007 12:45:28 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Fairview

I do love catholics too, I just think they’re wrong.


47 posted on 04/18/2007 1:47:48 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: pby

Will have to read later, it’s a long one!


48 posted on 04/18/2007 1:48:17 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: outofstyle
You seem to take me out of context like you do with scripture.
49 posted on 04/18/2007 1:50:00 PM PDT by pby
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To: Terriergal
I do love catholics too, I just think they're wrong.

Ditto.

I have a relative who is a bishop in the Catholic Church and another that is a priest.

50 posted on 04/18/2007 1:53:15 PM PDT by pby
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To: Terriergal

It is long...but I think that it performs a good comparison.


51 posted on 04/18/2007 1:54:34 PM PDT by pby
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To: Fairview
mysticism-bashing (if "bashing" is defined as comparison to scripture) post?

yes.

Catholic-bashing post?

Not necessarily.

52 posted on 04/18/2007 1:59:01 PM PDT by pby
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To: pby

tl:dr

Could you condense that for those of us who don’t have a couple of hours to spare? ^_^


53 posted on 04/18/2007 2:07:13 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Humvee
"Be:"

Way to go, Shirley MacLaine.

Some audio:
The Dangers of Contemplative Prayer Presented by Bob DeWaay and Dick Kuffel Broadcast Monday, April 9, 2007 In a DVD titled Be Still and Know that I am God, Beth Moore and other evangelicals like Richard Foster promote a mystical approach to prayer and spirituality. We compare Moore's interpretation of Exodus 33:7-11 with the true meaning of the text. MP3 (duration 00:30:18) Many problems arise if we equate the presence of God in our lives with subjective religious experience. If we continually seek to feel God’s presence through contemplative practice, the result will be that we will experience further spiritual problems. This seeking will cause us to strive for “feelings” rather than obedience. This wrongful pursuit will shake our assurance because the little assurance we have will be based on subjective experience rather than on the historical reality of the cross. In the end we will neglect our primary calling.

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Glaring Omissions

Brother Lawrence was a Catholic monk who lived out his days in a monastery. This alone explains the emphasis of his teachings and their glaring deficiencies. Brother Lawrence would be considered a “contemplative” teacher. His practice was one of inner meditation that took place within a monastic community. Is this the life to which God has called his children? Is “practicing His presence” the “most excellent way to go to God”? In noting the glaring omissions in Brother Lawrence’s teachings, the answer to these questions is No.

What has God called His people to do? In the wake of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, Luke outlines God’s “means of grace” which we are to practice. “So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer” (Acts 2:41-42). Those who received the Gospel message were baptized and continued in the Gospel through devotion to the apostles teaching (the word of God), prayer, fellowship, and the Lord’s supper.8 All those who subsequently believe are to go and live likewise in this Christ-centered way. With this as the divinely prescribed framework of the Christian’s practice, how does this compare with Brother Lawrence’s teaching?

The most glaring and foundational omission in “Practicing the Presence of God” is the lack of primacy placed on the word of God. Our “practice” must be grounded on the precepts of the Scriptures. Our lives are transformed through the Holy Spirit illuminating and applying the truths of God’s word. Without this all-important devotion we will take our eyes off Christ and become susceptible to all sorts of spiritual pitfalls. Note the Spirit-led author of Hebrews’ concern:

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil. (Hebrews 5:12-14)


If we are to grow in the faith and be sanctified by the Spirit we must devote ourselves to the word of God. And note very clearly this is what we are called to practice (5:14). We are to continually devote ourselves to the word of God. As we continue to dig into the inexhaustible treasure of the Scriptures we will fix our eyes on Christ and be trained to discern good from evil.

While “Practicing the Presence of God” is said to be constant prayer and consciousness of God’s presence, the truth is our prayer life must informed and guided by His word. Without the guiding light of the word of God our prayer life will be deficient; the Scriptures teach us how to pray.

Bob DeWaay, Critical Issues Commentary Issue 97. http://www.cicministry.org/commentary/issue97b.htm

Issue 84 - Means of Grace God's Provision for Our Salvation and Sanctification

This article focuses on the Biblical means God has provided for all Christians to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord. These means may not be flashy, popular, or trendy, but they will always be effectual when practiced in faith. The following are NOT God’s means of changing lives: mystical practices, self-help groups, Purpose Driven Life study groups, contemplative prayer, twelve step groups, or going to meetings where people are “slain under the power.” These and other popular programs are sad, unbiblical substitutes that eventually lead to spiritual impoverishment.

Means of Grace in Church History

Many evangelicals are not familiar with the expression “means of grace,” terminology that is common in Lutheran and Reformed theology. The reason many are not familiar with the idea of “means of grace” is that they have alternatives in their traditions like “spiritual disciplines” often billed as “secrets to a deeper spiritual life.” Unbiblical practices such as “contemplative prayer” have found their way into many churches under the ill defined banner of “spiritual disciplines.” Alternatively, since they are defined in Scripture, means of grace do not multiply as innovative spiritual practices are invented. We need to understand means of grace and see that they are God’s plan to provide for our growth in conformity to the image of Christ.

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As with other means of grace, prayer must be of a certain nature to be valid. Prayers must be offered in faith (James 1:6; 5:15). The New Testament has much to say about prayer; but nothing is more important than a valid faith which comes from the gospel and is solidly grounded on the finished work of Christ. Prayer has lent itself to much abuse over the centuries and does to this day. For example, in the last CIC issue I discussed Christian mystics who use the phrase “contemplative prayer” to teach Christians to turn inward through altered states of consciousness. This is not the type of prayer taught in the Bible.

The Bible states many times that Christ is risen, ascended and sits at the right hand of the Father (Acts 2:33; 5:31; Ephesians 1:20; Hebrews 10:12; 1Peter 3:22). Prayer is not turning inward, but looking upward! Jesus said pray like this, “Our Father who art in heaven. . .” Paul said this, “If then you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth” (Colossians 3:1, 2). The “throne of grace” is the very throne room of God and it is in heaven, not in the human psyche. As we pray, we know we have access to God in heaven through the risen Christ.

The early disciples gathered in prayer. They sought God’s help in their time of need. They doubtless prayed for one another, as Paul later taught in his epistles. There is a very early prayer recorded in Acts 4:24-29. In it the apostles prayed when they were being forbidden to preach the gospel. They quoted scripture in their prayer, confessed to God that they believed in His sovereignty, and asked for boldness to preach His word. Yes, there is grace to be found in our prayers to God. Prayers are a means of grace, not a means of revelation. The revelation is the “apostles teaching.” The prayers are based on that teaching and in accordance with that teaching. The answer to the disciple’s prayer in Acts 4 was not personal revelations from God. They were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke God’s word with boldness (Acts 4:31).

Simply gathering together with other believers and uttering prayers of praise and thanksgiving, intercession, and petition (with faith and hope) is powerful in its utter simplicity. God has been thereby sustaining people with a simple Christian faith throughout the nations and throughout the history of the church.

There is no “secret” to prayer. God does not tell us to find spiritual “masters” with secret, esoteric, prayer techniques. God hides things from those who deem themselves “wise and prudent.” But he has revealed His glorious Messianic salvation to babes (Matthew 11:25). The “prayer secrets” genre of Christian literature is horrible and useless. Such writings have deceived thousands. No wonder some Christian traditions deny that prayer is a means of grace -- it has been abused and misused by so many. Jesus warned us about useless prayer techniques: “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition, as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words” (Matthew 6:7).

I have before me a book that contains hundreds of pages of “how to” techniques and utterances for every conceivable need or situation.19 The author had three visions, and embarked on a many year process of learning an “arsenal” of “field-tested weapons.”20 This is typical of the “spiritual disciplines” approach that has deceived so many. Trained spiritual masters learn the secrets of getting close to God and write “how to” books for others to follow. This is not prayer as a means of grace, but prayer as a means to spiritual elitism. There are no super “holy men and women” who have ascended the heights and know the secrets. This tendency is much like the one warned against in the book of Hebrews.

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I have asked people why they go to prayer seminars that teach the secrets of deeper meditation techniques. The usual answer is, “I want to get closer to God and have a deeper walk with Him.” That is a noble desire but at the heart of it is the very unbelief that the book of Hebrews is warning about. It is saying, “Even though Jesus died for my sins, even though I have access directly to the Father in heaven through Him, even though I have access through Christ to the holiest place that even the Jewish high priest could not enter (the one in heaven), and even though Jesus has granted me full access to the throne of grace to find help in any and every need, I want more. I do not believe that these things are sufficient.” This is sinful unbelief that will lead to worse deception. One does not get closer to God by a journey inward when one has access to the holiest place through Jesus Christ who is at the right hand of God. The secrets of deeper prayer are leading people away from God not to Him! These mystical practices are rooted and grounded in unbelief.

Prayer is a means of grace but only when understood and practiced Biblically and in faith. What the Bible tells us about prayer is sufficient. The simple prayer of any humble Christian goes directly to the Father in heaven through the high priestly ministry of Jesus Christ. God promises to give us grace through this changeless, Biblical means. God will never withhold His answer because we failed to learn some secret words or secret technique to get Him to give us what we want. That conception of prayer is decidedly pagan. Jesus said of the pagans, “Therefore do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need, before you ask Him” (Matthew 6:8).
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Conclusion

The story of Naaman the leper aptly illustrates why the means of grace are so neglected. Naaman came to Elisha hoping to find healing. Elisha told him, through the word of the Lord, to wash in the Jordan River seven times (2Kings 5:10). This infuriated Naaman who was expecting something more spectacular. He found his healing when he decided to obey because of the simple logic of his servants. For Naaman, going to the Jordan was God’s ordained means, because an authoritative prophet told him so. We have authoritative apostles (the Biblical ones) who have spoken once for all what God’s ordained means are. They seem mundane to many, so they are neglected. This is spiritually fatal!

It seems rather exciting to go to a Benny Hinn meeting and “get slain under the power.” It seems invigorating to join a forty days of purpose campaign and find out your purpose with other seekers. It feels like a powerful experience meeting Christ in your subconscious mind through contemplative prayer rather than appealing to Him in heaven where He cannot be seen, touched, or heard. It seems liberating to get rid of emotional pain through Theophostic ministry when ordinary things like Bible study, prayer and fellowship “failed.” Why come to God by His means and have pain when we can have a mystical experience and be done with our pain? The array of alternatives to God’s ordained means are many, powerful, popular, and apparently effective. The means of grace have little place in many churches for one huge reason: they are deemed irrelevant by modern religious consumers. by Bob DeWaay

54 posted on 04/18/2007 2:08:04 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal

Well stated, Terriergal.


55 posted on 04/18/2007 2:13:32 PM PDT by pby
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To: Constantine XIII
Condensed version:

Contemplative prayer is based on eastern religious practices and is not a biblical form of prayer.

56 posted on 04/18/2007 2:14:47 PM PDT by pby
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To: Constantine XIII
Could you condense that for those of us who don’t have a couple of hours to spare?

The modern "Christian Pharisees" are at work removing splinters from the eyes of those who pray to Jesus in a way that they disapprove of. However, the logs in their own eyes are causing some difficulties.

57 posted on 04/18/2007 2:58:36 PM PDT by outofstyle
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This was great:
The modern “Christian Pharisees” are at work removing splinters from the eyes of those who pray to Jesus in a way that they disapprove of. However, the logs in their own eyes are causing some difficulties.

hahahahaha.


58 posted on 04/18/2007 3:34:43 PM PDT by dellbabe68
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To: pby

It is very difficult to comprehend how repeating and/or meditating on the Name of Jesus could possibly bring the attention of demons. Quite the opposite, I’m sure.


59 posted on 04/18/2007 5:39:57 PM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: outofstyle

I understand your definition of comtemplative prayer. But I will warn you, just as PBY is trying to let people know, there are people out there who do not share your definition. They want to take over the term and make it their own. If possible, they want to lead you down the wrong path with the term.

Anything the devil’s minions can get their hands on to mislead the unwary, they will use. That is why it is imperative that we as Christians have a rock solid understanding of what the Bible says. We have to commit ourselves believing what it says and doing what the Bible says to do. A vague understanding is no longer sufficient to help us and we can’t just assume everyone uses the words the same way we do.

Their goal is to confuse and mislead you. Their ultimate hope is to separate you from Christ. If they can get you second guessing His words, they can introduce doubt. If they can introduce doubt, they can cause you to question whether what He says is true. If they can cause you to question whether what He says is true, they can get you to put your own understanding above God’s word.

For example, the Bible is very clear on what God says about the sin of homosexuality. Yet, there are “christians” who believe that the Bible is silent on the subject. They twist and contort meaning by lifting verses out of the Bible to support their ideas and use tortured definitions to make the Bible conform to their idea of truth. They have no desire to conform themselves to God’s Truth.

The way to keep from falling into that trap is to know God’s word.


60 posted on 04/18/2007 8:48:09 PM PDT by Waryone
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