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Where Are All The Men?
fox news | Freeplancer

Posted on 04/17/2007 7:39:36 AM PDT by freeplancer

First there was Salt Lake City, and now Virgian Tech. Trey Perkins, a 19 year old student who is now on fox News spewed his story about being in the same room as the gunman while he reloaded his weapons at least once. Did he get up and charge the gunman with reckless abandon to save his fellow students? NO

When the SLC shooting took place, the local news broadcast a cell video of the shooter discharging his weapons. While the owner of the cell phone stood there and filmed the shooter, who coincidently had his back to the camera, he did nothing. Cowards, bystanders, and wimps. I am ashamed and disgusted. Maybe it is my military training or having being in a war zone that makes me know I would take action or die trying.

I would not be jumping out of windows or filming a murderer in action, and I hope to God that whoever reads this would not either. Where are all the men?


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To: freeplancer

Carry concealed, Carry openly, Carry often and aim for center mass if faced with this kind of threat or seeing it happen to others.

The American Male today has been so neutered it’s not funny. Then people wonder why nobody did anything to stop things like this.

Pathetic and tragic all at once.


161 posted on 04/17/2007 8:45:54 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Won't vote for a liberal in the democrat party, won't vote for one in the Republican party. Ever)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Walk onto any college campus in America.

Less than one student in 100 will have any idea of what you mean by 'center-mass'.

How many of our children are still taught to hunt, and basic gun safety as youth? Less than one in 1000, I think.

And yes, Osama understands this.

162 posted on 04/17/2007 8:49:29 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

The American male is untrained. They didn’t do anything to stop it because they acted normally. That is a completely normal, untrained reaction to stress - to freeze and get slaughtered. Our young people are not going to know how to respond in stressful situations unless they are trained to respond as necessary.

We need to stop blaming those who were killed and start blaming the killer.


163 posted on 04/17/2007 8:50:14 AM PDT by soxfan
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To: Pukin Dog

“Walk onto any college campus in America.
Less than one student in 100 will have any idea of what you mean by ‘center-mass’.

How many of our children are still taught to hunt, and basic gun safety as youth? Less than one in 1000, I think.

And yes, Osama understands this.”

I hear you about the students, but it also is a regional issue.

Here in Montana 95% of the kids would know what you mean by center mass. 9 out of 10 are handling guns at an early age, learning to shoot, learning gun safety, learning to hunt.

At least there are still 800,000 people somewhere in the US that still takes firearms ownership seriously. I’m pretty sure that with the exception of Washington and Oregon states, that most of the Northwest US is the same.


164 posted on 04/17/2007 8:52:18 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Won't vote for a liberal in the democrat party, won't vote for one in the Republican party. Ever)
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To: freeplancer
Keyboard kommandos are in vogue
165 posted on 04/17/2007 8:54:03 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Pukin Dog

Think about this as well: All the games that teach children the basics of survival- hide and seek, tag, dodge ball-have been cut from our children’s life experiences. These games may seem useless, but they teach children to hide from or find an enemy, to twist and turn and get away, to recognize an object coming at you and how to avoid it as well as how to suck up pain if you do get hit. These games are as old as humankind, and they are hardwired into our psyches for a reason-SURVIVAL!


166 posted on 04/17/2007 8:54:07 AM PDT by gardengirl
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To: soxfan

Not blaming those who were killed at all. I’m blaming those who have created the victim mentality in this country for aiding and abetting the killer by teaching their offspring to be passive victims instead of teaching them their civic responsibility to defend themselves and others. By deadly force if necessary.

My kids don’t have that issue.


167 posted on 04/17/2007 8:54:11 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Won't vote for a liberal in the democrat party, won't vote for one in the Republican party. Ever)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Some don't and will step up to the plate as in the Trolley Square Mall shooting a short time ago. They had just recently completed Active Shooter training.

http://www.policeone.com/writers/columnists/RachelFretz/articles/1227643/

I don't have the abilty to log into their training pages nor will someone allow you to use theirs.

All PD's should be in the mind-set to engage Active Shooters and not wait for SWAT to clear the crime scene after the fact.

168 posted on 04/17/2007 8:55:19 AM PDT by Deguello
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To: freeplancer
I figured it wouldn't be long before we had a thread like this. What's funny is a lot of the keyboard commandos would be the first ones to duck under a table if someone opened fire at the mall.

They're just college kids. They're unarmed. And we told them violence was wrong from the time they were born. How in the hell do you expect them to react?

Hope that you're never under fire.
169 posted on 04/17/2007 8:55:28 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: MizSterious
"I’m not singling out ONE young man, but questioning why NO young men stepped up to the bat. Most of the ones I’ve seen interviewed were young and healthy, but only an elderly man did the heroic thing."

You answered your own question. The "elderly man" isn't a product of this feminized generation.

170 posted on 04/17/2007 8:55:48 AM PDT by Oceans99
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To: soxfan

We’re not blaming the dead. Please stop saying that, it’s utter nonsense. Mourning the loss of courage is not blaming the victims. If anything, I blame the society that has created this generation of people who think it’s wrong to fight back.

And, we absolutely blame the perp. Not that the sob sisters on teevee will—I’m sure he had a “troubled” childhood and had all sorts of “unresolved issues.” And Rosie will no doubt inform us that it was Bush’s fault, and outline the sinister plots that prove it.


171 posted on 04/17/2007 8:55:55 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: paul51
"Another question: what were the LEA’s, with all their expensive toys, doing? Dunkin donuts"

Well on the scanner they were calling for backup blackberry charges.

172 posted on 04/17/2007 8:58:24 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: MizSterious; Pukin Dog
This country is not the country I once knew.

Up until the last century, women were essentially excluded from the political process throughout the entire history of Western Civ. In the few exceptions were they weren't (eg Cleopatra, Elizabeth I, et al), they still governed within strictures established by men dating from the pre-dawn of history.

It has only been in the last century were we've seen attempts to engineer a "kinder, gentler" society driven primarily by women and their feminized male enablers. However, as is generally the case when good intentions meet cold reality, the results of a few million years of evolution (competition, jealousy, rage, revenge & murder - just check out chimp behavior) aren't that readily malleable.

And so, someday we will return to tried & true methods of dealing with the dark side; and future generations will look upon us with pity that we suffered so long before the dim light of truth shone once more.

173 posted on 04/17/2007 8:59:06 AM PDT by Chuck Dent
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To: paul51
"Another question: what were the LEA’s, with all their expensive toys, doing? Dunkin donuts"

Well on the scanner they were calling for backup blackberry chargers. <----correction

174 posted on 04/17/2007 8:59:41 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: MizSterious
This can’t be compared to flight 93 imo. Flight 93 had a much longer time to 1. talk to loved ones and find out what was happening that day. 2. Form a plan. 3. Vote on said plan. 4. Rush men in a cockpit who were not firing at them. 5. Arm themselves with scalding water, cans of soda, utensils from the kitchen, etc. What was the length of time for the rampage in the building?

Maybe some kid could have helped the professor. Then we would have another victim on the dead list. I believe God has a plan. Perhaps this professor’s plan was to survive the holocaust because he had many lives to save in his classroom on the VT campus. I doubt that his man would have wanted his students with entire lives ahead of them to die beside him.

Of course I am speculating. But if I might die while trying to save my children, I would take the risk every day of the week. I certainly wouldn’t want them to bravely die beside me. I would do whatever I could so they could get away!!!

175 posted on 04/17/2007 8:59:50 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama
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To: Leatherneck_MT
If there was any decent Mexican food in Montana, I would move there tomorrow.
176 posted on 04/17/2007 9:00:29 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: LWalk18
I wasn't guaranteed to be killed in that bar in the Philippines either. But the risk was good that I would be. He had already killed 2 people, Philippinos, and didn't seem to be bothered by it.
The Philippine police had been chasing him and he took refuge in this bar.
It's not the thought at the time that always takes precedence. If you prepare in your head, beforehand, you have a much better chance of succeeding and/or survivng.

I didn't compare it to 9-11.

177 posted on 04/17/2007 9:01:33 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

I understand what you’re saying. I just wanted to point out that these poor kids weren’t suffering from any lack of courage, or manhood. They acted like the perfectly normal - albeit, sadly, the untrained - kids they were. There was nothing wrong with their inner character.

May God bless all of them and their families.


178 posted on 04/17/2007 9:01:44 AM PDT by soxfan
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To: Pukin Dog

There used to be.. but the cook, waiters, cashier all were deported lol. We had a restaurant here in Columbia Falls, good mexican food, REAL mexican food. But every last person working there was an illegal.


179 posted on 04/17/2007 9:02:26 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Won't vote for a liberal in the democrat party, won't vote for one in the Republican party. Ever)
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To: freeplancer
JOIN THE NRA
180 posted on 04/17/2007 9:03:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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