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FREEPERS!!! WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO US??
April 5, 2007 | Self

Posted on 04/05/2007 8:46:45 PM PDT by Pistolshot

I came here in 1998 looking for conservative, logical, thoughtful conversation and debate on the things that matter to us the most. I was a Reagan Republican. One of those who had watched in horror as our embassy staff in Tehran was taken by fanatics. The answer should have been overwhelming force, but it was Carter, that limp-wristed, can’t-we-just talk-this-out, weakling who had made the military a shambles, and stripped it of its soul because of VietNam. I knew from the beginning that there was no room in this world for weakness and that was the beginning of my road to conservatism.

Now here we are, in the beginnings of a campaign to deny the Democrats not only the White House, but the two houses of Congress. It is extremely early in this race, the leading candidates that have announced are far from acceptable to a large majority of us. Yet, day after day on this site we have the Rudy machine, the McCain people, Mitt’s people, and every other supported candidate backer posting missives about their guy. Some are repeated vitriol that has no debatable content, and only begs to be ignored. Some of it is the adage of ‘Don’t like it, too bad. He will be our candidate.’ In the past I’ve seen posters here who were thoughtful, logical, literally passionate about impeaching Clinton, but with a HUGE degree of civility.

What is taking place here, and I am guilty of it too, so don’t think I am pointing fingers here, is the destruction of what is good about this site. WE ARE CONSERVATIVES, first and foremost. We have our passions that lead us to the candidates we have running. Debate is the give and take of ideas to reach a consensus about a direction. A direction we should all look at for the country, not because of the ‘he can beat Hillary’ dogma, but because the candidate we choose is THE one to carry what our hopes and dreams are for this great nation. I have seen posters here demean others, insult integrities, bash people they DON’T EVEN KNOW ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, and generally look like some of the slime that lurks on DU.

We are supposed to be better than that. It’s time we stop acting like we cannot debate without insult, stop treating each other as if our opinions don’t matter or our vote. It’s time that Jim starts looking around and suspending or closing some accounts for this type of behavior until it gets under control.

We are not DU here. The candidate we vote to carry the platform will be the one who reaches out to the most diverse among us. If that doesn’t happen for your candidate, I’m sorry. But to stoop to some of the tactics I’ve seen here based on a persons opinion or religion is despicable and speaks poorly for all of us.


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To: Pistolshot

Great rant and I couldn’t agree more. The ad hominem attacks have to stop. Those who are guilty don’t even seem aware that they are doing it. If people have personal beefs, take it to freepmail or step away from the computer for awhile. No one wants to hear it and it is distracting and annoying.


81 posted on 04/05/2007 9:20:04 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance

You’re exactly right; I think for myself and don’t need talking points from a bunch of losers to tell me what to think.


82 posted on 04/05/2007 9:20:19 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: martin_fierro

oh man, I took a look at that thread and whoever posted the link to the exact same page as being ‘already posted here’ is an evil genius


83 posted on 04/05/2007 9:20:30 PM PDT by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: LongElegantLegs
FreeRepublic is like a core sample of the Republican

No, it's not. Free Republic isn't even representative of the Republican party.

84 posted on 04/05/2007 9:20:38 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: P-Marlowe

If it’s true that there are millions like you, that would sooner hand the Country completely over to the Democrats if you don’t get the exact kind of candidate you want, then this is all for nothing anyway. Then this is not the party I thought it was and this country, not even worth fighting for.


85 posted on 04/05/2007 9:21:06 PM PDT by Hildy ("man's reach exceeds his grasp"? It's a lie: man's grasp exceeds his nerve.)
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To: Petronski

Only if you let her win.


86 posted on 04/05/2007 9:21:32 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Petronski
In 2008, I’m voting for a pro-life pro-gun conservative, in May AND November (if I can find one on the ballot).

I'm hoping to vote for a Republican in November 2008. I will not vote for any candidate who advocates abortion or who claims it is a constitutional right.

This is the hill I have chosen to die on. The country survived 8 years of Bill Clinton and as a result we won both houses of congress and the presidency in 2000. Four years of another democrat is a small price to pay if that is the cost of principle. Often when we live by principle we pay a heavy price, but those who compromise their core principles for temporary expediency pay a much heavier price and one that is often too greivous to bear.

87 posted on 04/05/2007 9:21:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Pistolshot
It is extremely early in this race, the leading candidates that have announced are far from acceptable to a large majority of us. Yet, day after day on this site we have the Rudy machine, the McCain people, Mitt’s people, and every other supported candidate backer posting missives about their guy.

So?

88 posted on 04/05/2007 9:21:48 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: Howlin

When you have nightmares, are they about those scary “principles”?


89 posted on 04/05/2007 9:22:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Howlin
Only if you let her win.

No. You missed the point completely.

On abortion and the second amendment, Giuliani v. Clinton is a tossup. There's no light between them.

90 posted on 04/05/2007 9:23:27 PM PDT by Petronski (Ruditude is poisonous.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

You’re right. It’s not a FR-unique problem. It’s a structural problem for the reasons you described. (Short, flippant posts.)

There is also a lot of pent-up frustration in people in general. We’re being told the world’s going to end unless we enact top-down socialist programs. Even self-described Republicans and some conservatives can’t resist the seduction of using and growing government for their own means.


91 posted on 04/05/2007 9:23:51 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Pistolshot
I disagree with you. I see the current tempest as nothing new. Anytime a real wedge issue of the right comes to the forefront, these fights take place. It has gotten this bad many times in the past. Don't you remember? Remember all the fighting over Bush as Republican nominee? FreeRepublic fights have actually spawned a number of alternative wannabe sites from various losing factions.

Frankly, I think these fights are healthy.

92 posted on 04/05/2007 9:23:51 PM PDT by shempy (EABOF in '08)
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To: Petronski

Sure. Yeah. *Rolling my eyes*


93 posted on 04/05/2007 9:24:07 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: P-Marlowe

I’m with you.


94 posted on 04/05/2007 9:24:24 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: paulat

Agree. Well said.


95 posted on 04/05/2007 9:24:34 PM PDT by UpInArms
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To: Howlin

You have no better response. Best to evade the point.

Gotcha.


96 posted on 04/05/2007 9:24:48 PM PDT by Petronski (Ruditude is poisonous.)
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To: EternalVigilance
When you have nightmares, are they about those scary “principles”?

No, they're about creepy people like you who think you know what's best for the rest of us.

97 posted on 04/05/2007 9:24:53 PM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Pistolshot; All

Never forget what unites us.
98 posted on 04/05/2007 9:25:31 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: potlatch
I don’t have a favorite candidate who’s announced yet, but I can tell you that I will vote for the GOP nominee in November of ‘08 regardless.

I’ve just come from a trip to the White House — and a private tour of the West Wing, and the very thought of a democrat in that revered place and seat of world power is unthinkable.

99 posted on 04/05/2007 9:25:38 PM PDT by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Howlin
You know, normal.

LOLOL!!

100 posted on 04/05/2007 9:25:58 PM PDT by paulat (I'd rather spend my vote on someone who CAN ACTUALLY BE ELECTED)
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