The Pacheco Generator Story

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[Pete from Shawnee Mission]

If--if this works, its time to invest in companies that mine or produce magnesium.

If Stan Meyers used the this generator that was developed by the Bolivian and gets rich, he should throw some money at the family of the original inventor. Good PR, good will.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"Fur & feathers are good insulators because of air spaces inside"

http://csmate.colostate.edu/cltw/cohortpages/viney_old1/thermodynamicbingo.html

[ClaireSolt]

Too bad he was not a capitalist.

[hinckley buzzard]

Total B.S.

I am skeptical as well. Didn't this guy ever hear of venture capital? He could have gone into business for himself, making these things, and been the next (or first) Bill Gates. If it's such a good idea, his grandson or whoever could do that today. Definitely flunks the smell test.

[Kevmo]

bump for later reading

[HangThemHigh]

Yes, but where does the energy to separate the hydrogen & water come from? I am guessing from the discussion of batteries, that is the source of energy.

Another path they might be using is to make hydrogen by reacting water directly with an active metal. The energy source in this case is the metal, you are recovering a portion of the energy used to refine the metal. For example, you can make hydrogen with freshly powdered aluminum and water. It's been done (but with aluminum wire, not powder) http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm In this case you wind up with aluminum hydroxide as a by-product.

[Pete from Shawnee Mission]

If this works the question has to be not how many miles to the gallon of water, rather how many miles from a pound of Magnesium.

Found this for $46;

"Magnesium Plate .500" x 12" x 12" - AZ31B
AZ31B magnesium alloy machines easily. It is commonly used as an alternative to aluminum alloys due to its high strength to weight ratio. Care must be taken in machining the grade, however, because the chips and powder can be flammable.

And of course it would be good to know the byproduct of the reaction. Just for fun, chemists any thoughts?

[Sherman Logan]

He should have gone to companies that produce specialty metals, like Alcoa, whose product would be used in the manufacture of the generator.

Take it straight to Honda. Do you think Honda could increase its market share with a car than ran on water?

[Sherman Logan]

One evening, while working alone in his laboratory with his array of glass jars and electrodes, he noticed bubbles of gas forming. Because pressure was building in one of the glass vessels, he vented the jar. But, it wasn´t until he lit a cigarette that he knew that the bubbles that were emerging from the water were filled with hydrogen gas.

When you run an electrical current through water, hydrogen gas is released at the cathode and oxygen gas at the anode. No great mystery here.

[HangThemHigh]

Mg + 2H2O -> Mg(OH)2 + H2 (gas)

So you wind up with magnesium hydroxide byproduct.

Aluminum is probably cheaper and not quite as dangerous. But in a powdered unoxidized state, is still dangerous stuff.

[Pete from Shawnee Mission]

"So you wind up with magnesium hydroxide byproduct."

Nifty! So if this works, you get H2 to power your car,and the the byproduct is milk of magnesia! Save the environment and cure upset stomachs as you drive!

[BlueSky194]

I agree