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To: goresalooza
a small band of proto-democratic freedom fighters...

Uh....their leader is KING Leonidas. Sparta was in no way a democracy, proto or otherwise.

5 posted on 03/08/2007 3:30:59 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (It takes a school to bankrupt a village.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

LOL. Yeah that would have been real news to the Helots.


8 posted on 03/08/2007 3:35:35 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Straight Vermonter

"Uh....their leader is KING Leonidas. Sparta was in no way a democracy, proto or otherwise."

I agree. They were no better than the Persians invading them. The Spartans had slaves and were in no way a democracy. I was only quoting Esquire magazine's line. Don't blame the messenger.

It is a great story, nevertheless, but I won't be seeing the movie because I cannot stand the lead actor's political diss of our troops. It's that simple.


14 posted on 03/08/2007 3:51:13 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Uh....their leader is KING Leonidas. Sparta was in no way a democracy, proto or otherwise.

Well technically it was a constitutional totalitarianism.

And the Kings (two of them - which divided the power) were more hereditary war leaders, and had less freedom of action than ordinary Spartans.

The real power was with the Ephors - elected for a one term term by the votes of all the citizens - so proto-democracy sounds about right

The Persian Empire on the other hand was a straightforward Oriental Despotism, where the King could do what pretty well pleased him.

29 posted on 03/08/2007 4:51:05 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (make peace with your Ann, Whatever you conceive her to be: hairy thunderer or cosmic muffin.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Although I get your point, it must be said that they WERE the earliest form of democratic self rule and the seed of western democracy. The English have a King, does that rule them out of the "democracy club"?


48 posted on 03/11/2007 1:27:38 AM PST by Uriah_lost (We've got enough youth, how about a "fountain of smart")
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