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Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 Available For Free
Daily Tech ^ | February 20, 2007 | Brandon Hill

Posted on 02/20/2007 10:56:28 AM PST by Echo Talon

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To: Echo Talon

>>Go get it. ;)

That old Greedy Company is giving away FREE software again!<<

How odd that this seems to happen when another company has created a paid niche. What a coincidence.


21 posted on 02/20/2007 1:25:51 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: Echo Talon
Well they have to crush VMWare somehow, lord knows it wont be on technical merits so they might as well leverage their OS dominance to do it..
22 posted on 02/20/2007 1:26:59 PM PST by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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To: zeugma

I have the same question. I'm looking at virtualizing my office's server and just downloaded (but haven't tried yet) VMWare Server.

Are there any big differences in functionality between the two? What about licensing - IIRC with VMWare Server you need a separate XP license for each virtual machine. MS could really jump ahead if they let you run multiple Virtual PCs with the same XP license. XP Pro licenses are running about $125-$150 on eBay right now and I'd love to save the cost of a couple of them.


23 posted on 02/20/2007 1:31:06 PM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Not simultaneously, at least beyond what you can do with something like Remote Assistance (which doesn't require virtualization anyway).

What you can do is save your virtual system to a file on an internal or external storage device, and then move it to another physical computer that also has virtualization software. You can then run your virtual PC on the other machine and have your desktop, programs, files, etc. on "your" machine. Instead of your PC being a physical box, monitor, keyboard, etc., it's a file that you can run on any physical box (as long as that box has the same virtualization software).

I realize as I write this that it's not easy to explain, but it's really cool. Here's the Wikipedia entry for virtualization; it goes into more technical detail but may be even harder to understand.

24 posted on 02/20/2007 1:34:56 PM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Echo Talon

I'm thinking VMWare has just about sewed up the current round of this particular market. First time I ran Vista was on VMWare, in fact. I'd love a freebie Virtual Server, though.


25 posted on 02/20/2007 1:38:18 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
I'm thinking VMWare has just about sewed up the current round of this particular market. First time I ran Vista was on VMWare, in fact. I'd love a freebie Virtual Server, though.

I'm checking out VMWare Player as we speak... what else besides the player do i need? it says i need a configuration file? WTF is that? ***scratches head***

26 posted on 02/20/2007 1:42:38 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
So does this let a computer desktop from one computer be run on another?
(not computer savvy--be kind if you think this is a stupid question.)

I'm not sure what all it does.. i have only used it a couple times... And... well... others here are probably more "experts at it"

27 posted on 02/20/2007 1:45:07 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
Ah, the player's free, sort of a shell you distribute with a VMDK file, which is a virtual image. We send one out with a standard Linux or Winders web server distro on a CD so our customers can develop websites in an environment that (1) won't wake me up at night by eating my production websites, and (2) can be cloned, altered, or dynamited at will.

The config file tells it such things as whether you want the guest to be networked, NAT'ed, or run strictly locally, whether you want local or SAN storage (I don't know if Player is SAN capable but ESX is) how much memory to give the guest, how much CPU capacity, etc, etc. Pretty slick stuff.

28 posted on 02/20/2007 1:50:10 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Echo Talon

Oh cool, time to download it! The only downside I can see is that it appears they've left multi-processor support only for virtual server. I wonder if it at least uses multiple cores. Aside from the obvious speed-up, that would be helpful for testing multi-core and multi-processor aware applications in a VM. Still, can't complain about that limitation in a free product.

OTOH, damn Microsoft for having the documentation in XPS format only instead of PDF. They hate using worldwide-accepted standards.


29 posted on 02/20/2007 1:50:33 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Turbopilot
Are there any big differences in functionality between the two? What about licensing - IIRC with VMWare Server you need a separate XP license for each virtual machine. MS could really jump ahead if they let you run multiple Virtual PCs with the same XP license. XP Pro licenses are running about $125-$150 on eBay right now and I'd love to save the cost of a couple of them.

We'll have to find out as far as features and functionality how they stack up. I can tell you that I've been very happy with VMware server, Workstation, and their ESX servers. Don't really know about the Windows licensing aspects, as I mostly use vmware to virtualize test domains and stuff. We don't support windows here, so it's not an issue with me.

Hopefully some folks will chime in on licensing for windows in virtual containers.

30 posted on 02/20/2007 1:51:22 PM PST by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: CedarDave
If I have Vista Home, can I run XP Home on the same machine?

Microsoft has decided that you can't run Vista Home as either the host or guest (the host is your normally installed OS, the guest is what runs in a virtual computer under your host). It's not a technical limitation, just that Microsoft doesn't want you to.

31 posted on 02/20/2007 1:54:01 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Y2000
What about LINUX ?

It'll do it, just as it will do DOS and Windows 9x. It's just not "officially supported." But with the Novell agreement I'd expect Linux to be supported pretty soon.

32 posted on 02/20/2007 2:04:09 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Turbopilot

If youre running your servers on XP pro you have bigger problems.. And I highly doubt MS will start letting you rung three instances of their server product for free.


33 posted on 02/20/2007 2:42:02 PM PST by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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To: American_Centurion
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Thanks!
34 posted on 02/20/2007 2:43:38 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

Echo try reading this whole thread..

http://pcs.hackaday.com/2005/10/24/how-to-vmware-player-modification/


35 posted on 02/20/2007 2:44:27 PM PST by N3WBI3 ("Help me out here guys: What do you do with someone who wont put up or shut up?" - N3WBI3)
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To: American_Centurion

Btw, i;m posting this from within Ubuntu VM on Vista! ;)


36 posted on 02/20/2007 2:44:42 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: N3WBI3
If youre running your servers on XP pro you have bigger problems.

What's the problem? I use it basically as a file repository and central point from which to create offsite backups, as well as a host for the SQL database our contact manager uses. I have a small company with six computers on our network, not Google's IT department. XP has worked fine for those purposes.

When I upgrade the hardware next, I might like the ability to segregate the contact manager function from the data storage/backup functions, as well as segregate those from Internet access and have the ability to take my "server" home with me if I want to use it there. It would be a bonus if I could do so without extra XP licenses, but we're 100% software legal here so if I need to buy the keys I'll do it. I was just pointing out that maybe Virtual PC would allow one XP license to be used in such a manner, in which case I'd almost certainly adopt it.

37 posted on 02/20/2007 2:54:41 PM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

WHY, it works still, I use it everyday


38 posted on 02/20/2007 3:06:44 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: American_Centurion

Can you help me with this question? I want to run XP occasionally from within Linux. Can I do that? If so, I need VMware and __?_.


39 posted on 02/20/2007 3:10:19 PM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary: We're going to take some things from you on behalf of the common good. ~2004)
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To: Echo Talon

You are most welcome!


40 posted on 02/20/2007 3:45:45 PM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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