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To: robertpaulsen
Because smoking a homegrown and handmade impure non-filtered plant product down to the last nanometer

Handmade? Is a tomato plant handmade also? Impure you say? What exactly is your definition of 'pure'? Whatever the FDA says?

drawing it deep into the lungs and holding it, is not a healthy delivery system for a medicine?

Would you be saying that inhaled medicines are not approved by the FDA itself today? Walking on thin ice there aren't you RP? How is Asthma treated again? What about pneumonia? Will you say that these two examples are not being treated with a healthy delivery system when treated with ummmm inhalers?

Inhaling 600 chemicals to get the possible benefit of one or two makes sense to you? What's the negative effect of those 598 chemicals?

And now many of these 600 chemicals are you exposed to otherwise in a daytime RP? How about studying that? How about studying the effects when used in combination so that the results can be compared to the results when studied seperately?

You don't know, nor do you care. Some of us do.

You are the one saying not to study something so it is indeed you who doesn't care. I have not said not to study anything RP, but you are saying that huh. How much do you really care when you refuse to study but one side and one perspective?

Using this logic

To claim logic one must compare apples to apples. Please demonstrate similarities in acute reactions to a left handed cigarette and drinking gasoline. I would appreciate seeing how you logically commence to explaining your comparison's merit as apples to apples.

While you try to do that, I will point out that while you will refer to long term exposure to MJ, I will point to long term exposure to things like Oxycontin and Vicodin. This would be a more accurate and logical comparison and the latter demonstrates more problems than the former...yet you consider the latter OK simply because the FDA says so.

They have been.

Sure the supposed negatives ( I say 'supposed' because of the use of words like "can" "may" "might" "sometimes" are used as if they mean "is" and "does" and "will") have been weighed. The positives, however, are just starting to be recognized. They have not been put on the scale RP, and you yourself, thru your own statements, are trying to keep them from being put on that scale even now today.

I am not against isolating a particular entity RP. I am against refining something that doesn't need to be refined, thus raising the price and availability in undue ways. A straight up study of raw form use is a good thing, if you truly seek honest and truthful knowledge to compare with other similar knoweldge. Seems you and I differ on that point. Seems you would ignore a part of the information that would be truly needed to make an informed decision.

Under 21 use would have to be a decision made by the parent. Just as if the situation was with codine cough medicine. You present a heck of a straw man with that comment RP.

Then you resort to an ad hominem attack. Not surprising, that is exactly what leftist liberals do when confronted with things they don't like and cannot refute with honest debate. Sure, you will now claim it was just sarcasm but see, that excuse fails, as badly as your debate, when you used your own creation of a strawman to set it up.
83 posted on 02/17/2007 1:24:10 PM PST by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: Just sayin
To claim logic one must compare apples to apples.

So comparing pot to medicine would be illogical. By your "logic".

85 posted on 02/17/2007 2:59:11 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Just sayin
"Is a tomato plant handmade also?"

Yes it is. Do you have a point?

"Impure you say?"

Yep. It may contain bacteria or fungi. Yet you think it should be inhaled by patients with compromised immune systems?

"What exactly is your definition of 'pure'?"

In the case of marijuana, limiting the drug to those chemicals which have a positive effect on the symptom and omitting those which have a negative effect on the patient.

"Would you be saying that inhaled medicines are not approved by the FDA itself today?"

I would not be saying that. I even posted that an inhaled medicine containing cannabinoids has been approved by Health Canada. What's not approved by the FDA is a medicine that is smoked.

"And now many of these 600 chemicals are you exposed to otherwise in a daytime RP?"

I have no idea. But I'm not the one proposing to legalize smog as medicine.

"You are the one saying not to study something"

Smoked marijuana is not medicine. Studying it is pointless and a waste of money that could be better spent doing real research rather than promoting a social agenda.

"The positives, however, are just starting to be recognized. They have not been put on the scale RP, and you yourself, thru your own statements, are trying to keep them from being put on that scale even now today."

Why should they be put on a scale? Isolate the positives and make them available as medicine. That was done with Marinol and Sativex and thousands of other drugs. What's the problem?

Well, the problem is that this solution is not the solution you want. You don't really care about addressing a patient's needs. You want the research to show that smoking marijuana is medicine.

This will give you the back door you're looking for to legalize smoked marijuana for medical use, thereby effectively negating all laws against marijuana. You're being dishonest. You're using the sick and dying as pawns. And you'll never admit it.

"I am against refining something that doesn't need to be refined, thus raising the price and availability in undue ways."

It does need to be refined. First, there's those 598 questionable chemicals hitching a ride. Second, how is a doctor supposed to prescribe a medicine with an unknown quantity of useful cannabinoids -- what's the dosage and frequency? Third, what about drug interactions -- what if the patient is taking buproprion? Is it safe? Fourth, what about those impurities I mentioned earlier? The bacteria. The fungi?

"Under 21 use would have to be a decision made by the parent. Just as if the situation was with codine cough medicine."

Codeine may be prescribed and used by those under 21. Marijuana may not. Is there anything wrong, in your mind, with a seven-year-old smoking pot to relieve pain?

You were offended by my use of the term "monster" in that context? Trust me. It could have been much worse.

116 posted on 02/18/2007 8:33:58 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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