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Hacker, Microsoft duke it out over Vista design flaw (UAC broken by design)
ZDNet ^ | 13 Feb 07 | Ryan Naraine

Posted on 02/13/2007 10:59:28 PM PST by Spktyr

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Looks like Microsoft made some elementary mistakes in planning their security model - and this means that Vista is about to get exploited as bad as XP was.

1 posted on 02/13/2007 10:59:34 PM PST by Spktyr
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Most telling:

'"It seems like Microsoft realized that implementing UAC would be hard, so they decided not to call it a security mechanism anymore and that 'potential avenues of attack, regardless of ease or scope, are not security bugs'," she said, quoting directly from Russinovich's essay.

"I don't think it's fair after all this Vista security campaign we observed in 2006, where Microsoft was boasting about this new security model in Vista. This is not a proper way to solve security problems. Microsoft, instead of trying to diminish the problem, should work on the solutions (even if they expected to see a dozen of new attacks against UAC)," she added.'


2 posted on 02/13/2007 11:01:06 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Swordmaker

Ping


3 posted on 02/13/2007 11:01:23 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I'm debating staying with XP due to the things I've heard about Vista needing so much computing power.


4 posted on 02/13/2007 11:11:27 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: rdl6989

I certainly would, because from what this lady is saying, Vista's about to become as exploited as XP is now anyway.

Of course, while I do have to be concerned about this for my PC-using clients, I don't have to worry about this at home. I use a Mac, and the worst that a Trojan could theoretically do is trash my user folder. It can't touch the core system.
The same goes for any properly configured Linux system.


5 posted on 02/13/2007 11:14:23 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Thanks for your advice. I am staying with XP for now.


6 posted on 02/13/2007 11:15:56 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: rdl6989

I bought my PC two years ago and I hope I get at least two more out of it so there's a chance Vista is usable on my new one.


7 posted on 02/13/2007 11:17:30 PM PST by Generic_Login_1787
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To: Spktyr; A. Pole; lizol; Lukasz; Grzegorz

Polish hacker chick!

Her blog

8 posted on 02/13/2007 11:37:57 PM PST by Bon mots (An Islamist wants to kill you. A Muslim merely wants you dead.)
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To: rdl6989
I'm debating staying with XP due to the things I've heard about Vista needing so much computing power.

You will need 1 gig of RAM to get it running the way you want it. For the money you'll spend, your really just getting a cosmetic upgrade, nothing substancial that makes it worth $200. Personally I see Vista as the ME of XP. The reviews have been mediocre to down right savage. Honestly if you want to invest in another OS, experiment with Knoppix. You can download it and run it off a CD, so no worrys on installing it on your hard drive if you do not like it. And with Beryl graphics it will blow any and everything away that windows has ever offered Plus its Free!

9 posted on 02/13/2007 11:41:31 PM PST by Bommer (Global Warming: The only warming phenomena that occurs in the Summer and ends in the Winter!)
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To: Bon mots

It's the blue pill girl. Be skeptical.


10 posted on 02/13/2007 11:43:38 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Spktyr

How safe am I running XP with Firefox?


11 posted on 02/13/2007 11:46:03 PM PST by ROTB (Our Constitution...only for a [Christian] people...it is wholly inadequate for any other.-J.Q.Adams)
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To: ROTB

Safer than if you were running XP with IE 7, but if your computer is connected to the internet and it's running XP, chances are pretty good that you're going to get exploited anyway unless you *really* lock the thing down and install a hardware, not software firewall.


12 posted on 02/13/2007 11:50:17 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Bommer

For the newbie just getting into non-MS operating systems, and who doesn't want to take the Mac plunge just now, I'd recommend Linspire - it's a Linux-based Windows-workalike - in other words, the user interface is very much like Windows, so the novice can use it.


13 posted on 02/13/2007 11:52:38 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Thank you. I have ...

XP (unpatched)
Firefox
Firewall

No problems ... yet.


14 posted on 02/13/2007 11:54:24 PM PST by ROTB (Our Constitution...only for a [Christian] people...it is wholly inadequate for any other.-J.Q.Adams)
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To: Spktyr

security who needs it, certainly not Microsoft victims, so why not try a Linux OS like ubuntu available at http://www.ubuntu.com/
there is so much free ware and open source software ailble the need to tolerate microsoft's lack of concern for its customers is going to cost them big they are in my opinion their own worst enemy!


15 posted on 02/13/2007 11:55:07 PM PST by mtnjimmi (“When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is still an evil.” Max Lerner)
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To: ROTB

What do you mean by an "unpatched" XP?


16 posted on 02/13/2007 11:56:18 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I turned off the automatic updates. =)


17 posted on 02/14/2007 12:00:41 AM PST by ROTB (Our Constitution...only for a [Christian] people...it is wholly inadequate for any other.-J.Q.Adams)
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To: ROTB

Unpatched XP... are you insane?

You've been pwn3d and you don't even know it. Thanks for the spam.


18 posted on 02/14/2007 12:01:06 AM PST by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: ROTB

Congratulations, unless you've been updating your system through Windows Update weekly, you've been exploited and your computer has joined the legions of zombie machines on the internet.

You've been raped and you didn't even know it.


19 posted on 02/14/2007 12:03:04 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MediaMole

Yeah, he really is insane. Or he's running a pirated version of XP, and he's trying to get around the Windows Genuine Advantage BS. Either way, he's part of the problem children group on the internet, whether he wants to be or not.


20 posted on 02/14/2007 12:04:15 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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