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To: calcowgirl; Iwo Jima
As to the stipulation regarding the bullet, and maybe this will answer IJ's question. The stipulation at that point specifies all of the testimony which would have been elicited proving the bullet was Ramos's bullet.

The parties agree and stipulate that the Governments would enter into evidence through the testimonies of the following witnesses, Colonel Winston Warme, medical doctor; Special Agent Christopher Sanchez, Department of Homeland Security, Office of the Inspector General, DHS-OIG; Special Agent Brian Carter, DHS-OIG; Ms. Elizabeth Munoz, crime lab evidence technician, Texas Department of Public Safety, DPS; Joseph James Correa, forensic scientist, the third, firearms and tool marks examiner, the following evidence marked for identification purposes as Government's Exhibits 39.

The parties stipulate that the Government would call Mr. Correa and would qualify him as an expert witness in the field of firearms and tool marks identification.

The parties stipulate that a proper chain of custody was maintained, Government's Exhibits 34 and 35.

As to the bullet fragment, Government's Exhibit 36, and that the evidence would establish through the testimony of Mr. Correa that Government's Exhibit 36 is, in fact, a .40 caliber bullet.

The parties stipulate a proper chain of custody was maintained, Government's Exhibits 37 and 38, as to the Beretta .40 caliber firearm, Government's Exhibit 39.

The parties also stipulate that Mr. Correa's testimon would establish that the .40 caliber bullet was expelled from 24 the Beretta .40 caliber firearm, Government's Exhibit 39.

The parties also stipulate that Government's Exhibit 39 was functional and operational as designed. Also, the parties stipulate that the Beretta .40 caliber firearm, Government's Exhibit 39, was issued to Ignacio Ramos by the United States Border Patrol for his use.

Lastly, all parties agree and stipulate that the .40 6 caliber bullet was surgically removed from the upper right thigh area of Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila on or about March 16, 2006.

They then correct the date because it was actually 2005, For completeness, here's the signatories:

Signed and agreed to this the 21st day of 23 February 2006, Johnny Sutton, United States Attorney, by Jose Luis Gonzalez, Assistant United States Attorney; Stephen Peters, attorney for Defendant Ignacio Ramos, and Mary Stillinger, attorney for Defendant Ignacio Ramos, and Ignacio Ramos, Defendant.

So to answer IJ's question, they had testimony from a ballistics expert that the bullet came from Ramos' gun, and they had established a valid chain of custody for both the gun and the bullet.

This section of the testimony thus disproves the speculation that there was a problem with the chain of custody of the bullet. At least in the minds of every person involved in the case, including the defendant and his two lawyers.

194 posted on 02/16/2007 12:39:58 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So to answer IJ's question, they had testimony from a ballistics expert that the bullet came from Ramos' gun, and they had established a valid chain of custody for both the gun and the bullet.

No, that's not true. Even if they did have (I assume ) deposition testimony, show me the testimony because until then I will not believe that that is what the testimony was or, if it was, that it was true.

And they had not established a proper chain of custody. From everything that I have read so far, I don't think that they ever could have established a chain of custody for this bullet. Thanks to Stillinger they didn't have to try.

They just STIPULATED that that would be the testimony. Stipulating does not make it true. It just means that for the purposes of this trial we will act as if it were true.

There is nothing to be gained by not requiring the experts to testify and the government to prove its case. This is so very disturbing.
199 posted on 02/16/2007 12:54:54 PM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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