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CNET Editors Review: Windows Vista Ultimate
CNET Reviews ^ | 1/23/2007 | Robert Vamosi

Posted on 01/25/2007 12:26:48 AM PST by Swordmaker

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To: antiRepublicrat
Been searching pretty far back, huh? Do you have a life aside from stalking me?

I was just showing him some of your previous comments to me, and how they make your current ones peculiar.

41 posted on 01/27/2007 8:24:15 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Porterville
MS is good, the take a lot of flack but you knwo the saying... , "if you're taking flack you're over the target"...

IF you want to try MS "Windows Server 2003 R2" free for 6 months go to microsoft.com and signup and download it. ;) "It requires 2 cd's to be burned iso format" if you don't have CD burning software majorgeeks.com has a couple of freeware CD burning programs or you could download a Demo version of Nero" ;) enjoy.
Microsoft, isn't as greedy and as bad as everyone says.

42 posted on 01/27/2007 10:23:34 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: antiRepublicrat

OK, broke 28minutes... ;) AND I lowered my system down to 2.75GHZ I tightened the memory timings... DDR500(250mhz 2.5-3-3-7 @2.85V :)

43 posted on 01/28/2007 8:27:40 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: antiRepublicrat
some people like to play games, other people like to putz...
those people are called nerdz... ;)
44 posted on 01/28/2007 8:30:55 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Golden Eagle
I was just showing him some of your previous comments to me, and how they make your current ones peculiar.

That OS X relies heavily on open source has nothing to do with this. It only involves your strange, contradictory views on open source.

I take it you still haven't figured out #39.

45 posted on 01/28/2007 8:36:26 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Echo Talon

Impressive, but just show the numbers. It's a strain to keep looking at screenshots of a wanna-be OS X knockoff. BTW, you hear AMD plans to re-take the speed crown with the Barcelona quad-core?


46 posted on 01/28/2007 8:39:14 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
Don't forget that Vista has very limited driver support.

It's quite okay to prefer your Mac, but it's not okay to just make crap up. I've installed Vista on everything from an old 1.8GHz P4 to a new Core2Duo. I've yet to not find a driver for any of my printers, scanners or cameras or system devices.

And besides, can I grab some old hardware out of my closet and install OSX on it? Seems like you've set the bar a lot higher for Vista.

47 posted on 01/28/2007 9:13:41 AM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
That OS X relies heavily on open source has nothing to do with this.

Of course it does, since you specifically brought it up before, but now are attempting to argue it was in fact best for Apple to keep their O/S proprietary.

It only involves your strange, contradictory views on open source.

You're the one with the contradictory views, arguing for years on behalf of open source even in the specific case of Apple, now to basically admit Apple was smart to keep their best intellectual property private. It's also extremely contradictory for you to argue in support of free open source software for Chinese government fronts, such as those that rename "Red Hat" to "Red Flag", but feel that it is unfair for US corporations such as Microsoft to use someone else's software or ideas.

You're going to have to decide once and for all if you're in favor of US companies and intellectual property protections, or if you're instead still in favor of free US intellectual property transfers to the entire world, including when it's illegally obtained by foreign hackers. Your first post ever to FR was arguing against US copyright law, you've been defending foreign hackers ever since including those that cracked Apple's OSX to run on cheap PC's, called DRM encryption quote "pointless", so to now appear somehow thankful that Apple's OSX wasn't duplicated by someone else is hilarious. You've been pointing out much of OSX is free software for years, even endlessly defending the pirates that hacked the rest of it here recently, but now you're supposedly relieved it wasn't legally copied by someone else here in the US? LMAO!

48 posted on 01/28/2007 9:14:29 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Doohickey
And besides, can I grab some old hardware out of my closet and install OSX on it?

Very likely, you can. My mother has a nine year old Powermac G3 that she's running OS X on. I did upgrade the five year old video card in the machine and put in a large, modern hard drive but it is running OS X quite happily. Neither Windows XP SP 2 nor Vista will run happily on nine year old hardware - assuming it will even boot. When people say that Macs have a much greater useful life when compared to their Windows counterparts, they aren't kidding.
49 posted on 01/28/2007 9:21:15 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Doohickey
Got all my drivers working without problems or "fixes", (although Vista 64bit requires you to have signed drivers "even for some programs that you think are just programs like utilities to monitor your computer and such", this can be gotten around though with a little bit of tweaking) ;)

The maker of speedfan monitoring utility is going through the process of getting signed drivers for 64bit Vista (speedfan.sys)...

50 posted on 01/28/2007 9:23:02 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: antiRepublicrat
yea it will be interesting to see how they matchup, I wanted a quad-core but i;m poor so i ended up with an upgrade... :)

Not to shabby, it's a work in progress need more ram. ;) Whats nice about this upgrade process is my other computers here in the house are getting overhauled with the parts that are coming out of my main box. :D Now my A64 3500+/Epox mobo is the "old" computer hehe...

51 posted on 01/28/2007 9:27:32 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Old_Mil

Cool! So, I can dig out my old Compaq Evo and install OSX on it? Bring it on!

Or...are you just limited from the hardware that you can buy from your OS vendor?


52 posted on 01/28/2007 9:30:12 AM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Doohickey
Cool! So, I can dig out my old Compaq Evo and install OSX on it? Bring it on!



Unfortunately, having made the wrong hardware choice then, you won't be able to take advantage of OS X now.
53 posted on 01/28/2007 9:35:00 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Old_Mil

So, in other words I don't have the freedom to assemble my own components and run a supported Apple OS on it? Gosh, I'm surprised.


54 posted on 01/28/2007 9:40:12 AM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Doohickey
It's quite okay to prefer your Mac, but it's not okay to just make crap up.

I didn't know I was insulting your religion. For your reading pleasure, here are the experiences of other Vista reviewers (topic: lack of driver support).

From: 10 Reasons NOT to get Vista

Reason 5:
-- Key hardware like video and sound is crippled at the moment -- while Nvidia is working furiously to get a stable driver for the 8800 out by the 30th, there's still no SLI support for any of the Nvidia range. And thanks to the removal of hardware accelerated 3D sound in Vista, Creative's popular DirectSound based EAX no longer works at all, muting this feature for just about all gaming titles on the market today. Creative is in the process of coding a layer for its drivers to translate EAX calls to the OpenAL API which is seperate from Vista, but going by past experience with Creative drivers we won't see these any time soon.

From: Uninspiring Vista by Erika Jonietz

Second, users choosing to install the 64-bit version of Vista on computers they already own will have a hard time finding drivers, the software needed to control hardware sub­systems and peripherals such as video cards, modems, or printers. Microsoft's Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor program, which I ran before installing Vista, assured me that my laptop was fully compatible with the 64-bit version. But once I installed it, my speakers would not work. It seems that none of the companies concerned had written a driver for my sound card; it took more than 10 hours of effort to find a workaround. Nor do drivers exist for my modem, printer, or several other things I rely on.
55 posted on 01/28/2007 10:10:11 AM PST by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

Oh...well gosh. You've found stuff to read. That was my mistake right there. I've actually tried it. If I ever get lobotomized, I plan on quitting my technology job to become a technology journalist so that I too can give bad advice stuff I don't understand. I'll have a good audience too, mainly from Mac users who for some reason are in constant need of affirmation.

I mean, why else would Mac users provide "expert" analysis of products they don't use? Why not just extoll the virtues of your favorite products instead of trying to destroy the competition? Doesn't competition ensure better products for all of us? Instead, we get the technology equivalent of a Democrat political campaign.

Every day, there is some anti-Vista or anti-Microsoft rant posted by some Mac-head. You people are like a cult; despite my efforts to believe otherwise the conclusion is inescapable.

I have a Mac. A PowerBook G4 running Tiger. It's a neat piece of hardware, but I find the OS not to my liking. That doesn't make it bad - just not for me. I respect the fact that people have preferences different from me, which is quite a different attitude from the Free Republic Mac-Pac.


56 posted on 01/28/2007 11:53:53 AM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Swordmaker

bookmark to show IT person (wife)


57 posted on 01/28/2007 11:56:37 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Doohickey
And besides, can I grab some old hardware out of my closet and install OSX on it? Seems like you've set the bar a lot higher for Vista.

OS X will run on any Mac made since the release of the first 233MHz iMac back in May of 1998... slowly, but it will run.

It ran quite nicely on my 1999 PowerBook Lombard (333MHz, 384M ram, 10G HD... until someone stole it last month.

I wouldn't install OS X.4 Tiger on either without putting in a larger hard drive but OS X.2.8 (Jaguar) runs fine on the 233 iMac and the laptop ran fine on 10.3.9 (Panther).

OS X.2.8 also runs quite nicely on a Beige 233MHz G3 tower introduced in November of 1997 so long as the Ram is above 128 Megabytes.

Is that sufficiently old?

58 posted on 01/28/2007 12:27:13 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Doohickey
Cool! So, I can dig out my old Compaq Evo and install OSX on it? Bring it on!

Actually, since Apple has said they were concurrently developing the X86 and PowerPC versions of OS X from day one, their probably IS a version that could be installed. ;^)>

However, we cannot know the contents of your closet. Can you install Windows Vista on that Compaq Evo with a Pentium 4? Yes.

Legally? Probably not.

59 posted on 01/28/2007 12:40:13 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Doohickey
That was my mistake right there. I've actually tried it.

Well good for you, Doohickey. But I am surprised at the depth of your testing facilities... you have examples of every piece of hardware that Vista will have to support and have tested them and found they work quite well. GREAT! Wonderful

It is amazing, however, that you find ways to make hardware work that the manufacturers of that hardware say they are "scrambling" to get drivers out for. Yet you, doohickey, know better than the majority of PC punditry because you have tried Vista on your vast collection of hardware in your closet. And you haven't been "lobotomized".

Every day, there is some anti-Vista or anti-Microsoft rant posted by some Mac-head. You people are like a cult; despite my efforts to believe otherwise the conclusion is inescapable.

Now you descend to the refuge of the person who cannot refute the facts as presented: ad hominem attack.

60 posted on 01/28/2007 12:53:27 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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