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Ancient Iraqi Art Determined Poisonous (Arsenic)
Discovery News ^ | 1-22-2007 | Jennifer Viegas

Posted on 01/23/2007 7:53:44 AM PST by blam

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1 posted on 01/23/2007 7:53:45 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 01/23/2007 7:54:13 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Every great artist must suffer for his art..........


3 posted on 01/23/2007 7:58:57 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: blam

This reminds me of a movie where Sean Connery was a monk/investigator. The movie was called "Name of the Rose". It also had Christian Slater in it. In a nutshell, Sean Connery was the character, Brother William of Baskerville, that was sent to a monastery to investigate a strange murder. He discovers that the culprit of the murder was a book whose pages were poisoned (maybe the same type of arsenic?).


4 posted on 01/23/2007 8:03:38 AM PST by rochester_veteran (born and raised in rachacha!)
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Good movie, although I thought the ending was a little dissatisfying, what with the library and all those rare and valuable books going up in flames. Enjoyable to see the Grand Inquisitor get his comeuppance from the local peasanty, though.


5 posted on 01/23/2007 8:33:50 AM PST by -YYZ-
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6 posted on 01/23/2007 10:02:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, they're not." -- John Rummel)
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To: rochester_veteran

Good movie ... much better book. The plot was 'way too complicated to translate properly to screen.


7 posted on 01/23/2007 10:04:47 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: blam

I would believe every bit of this. Some of the most beautiful minerals (to me) are the arsenic based ones, and would yield nice pigments. I have a really nice piece of realgar. Most of the metallic sulfides are pretty, but not good for the health.


8 posted on 01/23/2007 10:09:24 AM PST by doodad
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" I have a really nice piece of realgar."

Thanks. I learn something everyday around here:

"The name "Realgar" comes from Arabic rahj al ghar = powder of the mine."

9 posted on 01/23/2007 10:13:30 AM PST by blam
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To: rochester_veteran

My first thought too. A GREAT book!


10 posted on 01/23/2007 10:25:06 AM PST by twigs
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To: blam

"What happened to their apprentices, who ground and prepared the pigments on a routine basis, I don’t know."

She doesn't know?
They died.


11 posted on 01/23/2007 10:25:32 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Vicomte13

...after they dyed.


12 posted on 01/23/2007 10:26:04 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: blam

Don't eat the yellow dirt.


13 posted on 01/23/2007 10:49:27 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: blam
It seems to me they are going wwwaaaayyyyyy overboard with this protection from poisoning bit. Heavy gloves, fume case, special protection for the public? Now, granted, it is probably not something you want your toddler chewing on, but the artists and assistants used this for more than 5 minutes and more than one project before they died, and somebody lived in or otherwise used the place where it was painted for some time as well. I don't think my walking past it, going "oh, how pretty" and walking on would put me at substantial risk.
14 posted on 01/23/2007 11:18:12 AM PST by Grammy
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I'm a retired chip-maker and we used arsenic in that business...we took extreme precautions with our arsenic 'sources' and the operators had to do a yearly blood test. Also, 'treated' wood was changed just within the last 2-3 years because it was treated with some form of arsenic. The labels on the wood said to use gloves when working with it and do not breathe the fumes when cutting it. A lot ofchildren's playground equipment was built with this wood. The wood is coated with copper -----(?) now.


15 posted on 01/23/2007 1:10:55 PM PST by blam
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CCA Pressure Treated Wood - Q & A

"If CCA-treated wood is safe, why change?

"The fundamental safety of CCA-treated wood has not changed, but perceptions in the marketplace have. The preserved wood industry stands by the safety of all wood products treated with CCA, which have been used for nearly 70 years. All wood preservatives go through rigorous safety testing and government approval procedures based on sound scientific research before they are ever used in consumer products."

"Although treated wood represents a tiny fraction compared to all the natural sources of arsenic in the environment, the preservative manufacturers have developed new lines of non-arsenic based preservatives to be responsive to current and anticipated customer interest."

16 posted on 01/23/2007 1:16:37 PM PST by blam
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Does that mean you agree or disagree with me?

It seems that they are almost treating one small chip of aresenic based paint or spackle (I don't remember what exactly) as though it were polonium.

If you work with it every day you obviously need to take precautions, especially if it becomes airborne or in a solution that can enter your body easily. (and Mr. G is fine thank you 8-) )


17 posted on 01/23/2007 4:53:26 PM PST by Grammy
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"Does that mean you agree or disagree with me?"

Well, I do know that it can be deadly in high concentrations and harmful in lower doses. I think the Brouhaha about the wood has been overdone. I think it depends on the concentration and exposure time. I wouldn't take it lighty.

18 posted on 01/23/2007 5:04:25 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Then I believe we agree.


19 posted on 01/23/2007 5:07:52 PM PST by Grammy
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To: SunkenCiv
"Raman microscopy"

Well, somebody was really using their noodle...
20 posted on 01/24/2007 9:22:24 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (Alec Baldwin is not a real actor, but he plays one on TV.)
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