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Just a rotten case: As the prosecution of Duke's lacrosse players unravels,
The Plain Dealer ^ | 1/7/07

Posted on 01/07/2007 10:45:17 AM PST by Winged Hussar

Then, just last month, the director of a DNA laboratory that tested samples taken from the woman testified that he and the prosecutor had agreed in May to withhold some of the findings. The exculpatory nature of the results - specifically, that the swabs included traces of semen from several men, none of them the Duke defendants - offer the strongest evidence yet that the prosecutor himself should be the subject of an investigation, and that he should have no further connection with this case.

(Excerpt) Read more at cleveland.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: crystalgailmangum; dukelax; durham; nifong; nifongsho
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To: SoldierDad

Well, I understand that. Got one of my own.

If ESPN reported that, they reported false information. The false things reported in this case are just ludicrous from the condoms to the choke holds to the rape jackets to the broomsticks.

Just keep telling yourself--"ESPN ESPN ESPN....." :)


41 posted on 01/07/2007 11:45:38 AM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: Guenevere
Yes, and the fact that he made this claim to me led me to try to find out whether his facts are false. The responses I've received here has confirmed my suspicions that his info is wrong. I want to correct his perceptions about this case so that he doesn't continue to spread false information.
42 posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:22 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: Howlin

Because she really WANTS to believe it. She & Nancy Grace may have to take time off to recover from their grief once this is over.


43 posted on 01/07/2007 11:47:46 AM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: SoldierDad

Give it a rest. Your son is wrong. Why don't you just go send an email to ESPN and ask them. This is not the rumor-testing board - it's the lax fact board.


44 posted on 01/07/2007 11:48:46 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Sue Perkick

I'm not sure the meaning of the last part of your post. I don't watch ESPN, not even for the box scores. The only reason I would tune to ESPN is when they broadcast a Pro football game.


45 posted on 01/07/2007 11:49:22 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: Jezebelle

Yes, I know my son is wrong. And yes, I'm aware that FR is a place to find information, which is the reason for my original question. No, I'm not going to "give it a rest" because you don't like the question. Sorry FRiend, but I'll choose to go where I wish to try and obtain information regarding an issue. That's the great thing about living in a free society, and an even greater thing about having FR. Peace be upon you.


46 posted on 01/07/2007 11:52:21 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: Howlin

it wasn't toward the player...it was towards the comment the poster made in #7


47 posted on 01/07/2007 11:53:13 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: sissyjane

I'm the father of two sons, and they both have lots of friends who all tune in to ESPN. But, for me, I don't like ESPN.


48 posted on 01/07/2007 11:54:05 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: webheart

Could have been the entire New Black Panther contingent who paid her a visit.


49 posted on 01/07/2007 11:56:27 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: sgtbono2002

And one for Cathy Davidson, Duke English Prof & VICE Provost. She was the head of the Gang of 88. In fact, all 88 should be driven out of town on a rail after being tarred and featered.


50 posted on 01/07/2007 12:03:18 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: SoldierDad

Personally, I like ESPN some. I watch it a lot. But face it the treatment of Limbaugh there shows they have moved a long way since they were running ads with the skier seemingly falling and coming through it about freedom being the freedom to fail or succeed.

Certainly the corporate culture has been seemingly affected by being located in the NE and the influence of the not very smart Chris Berhman.


51 posted on 01/07/2007 12:03:51 PM PST by JLS
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To: SoldierDad

Wonder if Nifong may have given this tidbit "off the record"

Nifong also said (and I will never forget this as long as I live-I heard with with my own ears) one of the boys (maybe Reade)forced her to perform oral sex on him while he was restraining her from behind her.

He said it could be done. For the life of me, I still cannot come up with a plan for that one. Oh yeah, they were both standing and when he was making so many calls to his girlfriend.

I would discard any such statements made early in the case as lies.


52 posted on 01/07/2007 12:10:06 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: SoldierDad

Here's what ESPN reported:

The players, who would not go on camera, also would not discuss many details about the case or answer more specific questions about exactly what happened.

But they told ESPN's Smith that not all 47 players were at the party at the time the woman said she was raped; some had already left. The players told Smith they admit it was foolish to have the party, but deny that any rape occurred. They also believe the two students charged so far will not be convicted.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2423150


53 posted on 01/07/2007 12:10:06 PM PST by JoanOfArk
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To: JLS

I have nothing against anyone who wants to watch ESPN. I would just rather get the info I want on the teams I follow through another source. I don't have the time needed to wade through all the sports being reported in order to get that which I want.


54 posted on 01/07/2007 12:12:00 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: Winged Hussar

I only hope that the three lax players take a page out of Richard Jewel's play book and go after the talking heads in the media that tried and convicted them at the time leading up to and at the time of the indictment. News organizations like MSNBC and Jim Rome (who was particulary malicious).


55 posted on 01/07/2007 12:16:49 PM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: JoanOfArk

Thanks. This is what I was looking for in my original post. I didn't buy the claim that someone had admitted the rape did occur.


56 posted on 01/07/2007 12:16:55 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: All

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/07/word.of.the.year/index.html

We need to make sure that "Nifonged" is the word of the year for 2007.


57 posted on 01/07/2007 12:55:12 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: sgtbono2002

Re: "What ever happened to tar and feathers, or being ridden out of town on a rail, or two rails, one for Nifong, one for the star slut of this story."

The newspapers and talk radio are doing a pretty good job of making sure that Nifong will never work in the legal profession again, assuming that he is found guilty of misconduct and disbarred. Someone who was ridden out of town on a rail (e.g. for selling phony medical remedies) could simply move on to the next town, but the papers and the Internet will make sure this follows Nifong wherever he goes. In this case (as opposed to the prosecutors of the Amirault and Snowden cases), justice may actually be done and the prosecutor's legal career ruined, assuming that he is found guilty as charged.

The false accuser's name should be made public--I assume the state's rape shield laws will cease to protect her once the defendants are acquitted, and perhaps she herself is charged with perjury, libel, and so on and so forth. Then she will never work again either, because even people who hire strippers won't hire one who goes around making false accusations of rape.


58 posted on 01/07/2007 1:01:07 PM PST by Winged Hussar
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To: Winged Hussar

Actually her name's been public for a long time. As well as several assorted "activities" after the rape hoax.

http://crystalmess.blogspot.com/2006/12/its-time-crystal.html


59 posted on 01/07/2007 1:17:23 PM PST by Sue Perkick (Just a water spider on the pond of life.)
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To: Winged Hussar
I assume the state's rape shield laws will cease to protect her once the defendants are acquitted,

1. "Rape shield laws" as a term means laws preventing prior sexual behavior to be introduced into evidence concerning a claim of rape. It is the prior sexual behavior that is shielded from the jury. They also sometimes concern the court not mentioning an accuser or victim by name in court documents.

2. It is up to individual media outlets, blogs or individuals blogging to decide whether or not to uses someone's name. The first ammendment to the US Constitution is the operative law and the government can not make it illegal for anyone to publish or say Mangums name. Matters in the courts are public matters anyway, if you go to court when she testifies, Mangum will be sworn under her own name and testify under her own name.

3. Any media outlet not calling Mangum by her name now is knowingly protecting a hoaxster not a crime victim. Think the N&O.
60 posted on 01/07/2007 1:29:58 PM PST by JLS
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