[James Ewell Brown Stuart]

So that would mean that the Grant's weren't living anywhere that slave ownership was legal at the time the 13th Amendment was ratified. (Where were the Grants living from the surrender until the end of the year?) – This is from your post 349.

The 13th Amendment was ratified almost 12 months later, December 1865. – This is from your post 378. (this has to do with the 1864 runaway slave)

But, among other things, does not support the claim that Mrs. Grant still owned slaves as late as December 1865. – This is from your post 391.

Alouette’s post mentions two dates: (1)Julia Grant in her memoirs reports that her family slaves remained her property until they were freed by the 13th amendment. (2) 1864, the year her favorite slave ran away.

Your contention is that the memoirs are fake because the date can’t be right. So how was it possible for Mrs. Grant to still own slaves in December 1865 when she didn't live anywhere that slave ownership was legal?

Here is what I posted on the date of things:

Julia Grant in her memoirs reports that her family slaves remained her property until they were freed by the 13th amendment. She also reported that she was very upset when her favorite slave ran away in 1864, apparently the slave did not realize that the Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to her – post 375.

The memoirs speak of the slave running away in 1864, so it fits in the time frame. - post 391

Now, here is what you have to say about my two posts: Who's dodging now? That's not what the memoirs say, and what you have been supporting. The memoirs say that she owned slaves until the ratification of the 13th Amendment. So we're back to the question if the memoirs are accurate than how was that possible?

That's not what the memoirs say,: If this is not what the memoirs say, then what do they say?

what you have been supporting I am just reporting what she wrote.

You want to know how it was possible that she owned slaves until the ratification of the 13th Amendment, and because you can’t make the correlation that she did (even when she said she did)– that somehow her ghost writer then changed her memoirs and we have to discount what she said.

I don't seem to be the one dodging.

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I'll stand by all of my statements and questions, but I'm not sure now what position you're taking now. You quoted Mrs. Grants memoirs and say they must be taken as the truth. The memoirs say Mrs. Grant owned slaves up until the ratification of the 13th Amendment. Either you agree with that or you don't, and if you do where was she living between January and December where slave ownership was legal.

Your contention is that the memoirs are fake because the date can’t be right.

Fake is a bit harsh. I question the accuracy of that one claim because of evidence which shows it would have been legally impossible.

If this is not what the memoirs say, then what do they say?

You've been quoting the memoirs all along. According to your posts they state that Julia Grant owned slaves until the ratification of the 13th Amendment. Or am I missing something?

You want to know how it was possible that she owned slaves until the ratification of the 13th Amendment, and because you can’t make the correlation that she did (even when she said she did)– that somehow her ghost writer then changed her memoirs and we have to discount what she said.

Well, yeah. Either the biography is in error or Mrs. Grant was committing a crime, it has to be one or the other doesn't it?