[justshutupandtakeit]

Decent "Americans" have NEVER been in insurrection against the Union.

Civility to those who try and defend the indefensible is dishonest.

[StoneWall Brigade]

General George S. Patton's grandfather fought with the 22nd Virginia

[spacecowboynj]

"Decent "Americans" have NEVER been in insurrection against the Union."

Sure they have, since the beginning of this country. All of New England came close to secession. South Carolina almost seceded over tariffs (this was always the cause of wanting to secede) and were going to until the sitting President backed off it. In fact, this very nation was a bunch of colonies that simply seceded from Great Britain. They basically said "You're forcing unfairness on us and it's our God-given right to secede." It's all there, in the Declaration of Independence.

The problem was the Whig Part and people like Henry Clay. Consider the Whigs the most leftist, socialist Democrats of today. Lincoln WAS a Whig and only became a Republican for the same reason Bloomberg did in NYC - to win elections. Unlike his predecessors all the way back to Washington (who backed of unfair tariffs to avoid insurrection), Lincoln wouldn't take no for an answer. He wanted to fleece the South to pay for public works projects in the North. The very first shots of the Civil War were fired at a tariff collection point. Lincoln boasted that he would get the money by force and he meant it.

[stand watie]

that's like saying that the revolutionaries of 1776 were not "decent"!

laughing AT you, fool!

free dixie,sw

[laotzu]

American haters do not interest me. You are not making this worth my while. Measure up.

Focus. Why do you want to have a conversation with me?

[laotzu]

Happy Thanksgiving indeed.

The 'Civil War' has always been over-simplified....and over-complicated. This was true while it was being fought, on this very thread, and will be for every argument about it in the future.

It is too easy to loose commen sense when caught up in sincere passions.

please....God bless us all.