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Shame of the Yankees - America's Worst Anti-Jewish Action [Civil War thread]
Jewish Press ^ | 11-21-06 | Lewis Regenstein

Posted on 11/21/2006 5:23:06 AM PST by SJackson

Shame of the Yankees - America's Worst Anti-Jewish Action

By: Lewis Regenstein
Wednesday, November 15, 2006

This year, the second day of Chanukah will coincide with the 144th anniversary of the worst official act of anti-Semitism in American history.

On December 17, 1862, in the midst of the Civil War, Union general Ulysses S. Grant issued his infamous "General Order # 11," expelling all Jews "as a class" from his conquered territories within 24 hours. Henry Halleck, the Union general-in-chief, wired Grant in support of his action, saying that neither he nor President Lincoln were opposed "to your expelling traitors and Jew peddlers."

A few months earlier, on August 11, General William Tecumseh Sherman had warned in a letter to the adjutant general of the Union Army that "the country will swarm with dishonest Jews" if continued trade in cotton were encouraged. And Grant also issued orders in November 1862 banning travel in general, by "the Israelites especially," because they were "such an intolerable nuisance," and railroad conductors were told that "no Jews are to be permitted to travel on the railroad."

As a result of Grant's expulsion order, Jewish families were forced out of their homes in Paducah, Kentucky, and Holly Springs and Oxford, Mississippi – and a few were sent to prison. When some Jewish victims protested to President Lincoln, Attorney General Edward Bates advised the president that he was indifferent to such objections.

Lincoln rescinded Grant's odious order, but not before Jewish families in the area had been humiliated, terrified, and jailed, and some stripped of their possessions.

Captain Philip Trounstine of the Ohio Volunteer Cavalry, being unable in good conscience to round up and expel his fellow Jews, resigned his army commission, saying he could "no longer bear the taunts and malice of his fellow officers brought on by that order."

The officials responsible for the United States government's most vicious anti-Jewish actions ever were never dismissed, admonished or, apparently, even officially criticized for the religious persecution they inflicted on innocent citizens.

Northern Animus, Southern Hospitality

The exact reason for Grant's decree remains uncertain. As author and military historian Mel Young points out in his book Where They Lie, Grant's own family was involved in cotton speculation (as well as owning slaves), so perhaps he considered Jewish traders to be competition. And the language spoken by the many Dutch and German-speaking peddlers and merchants in the area was probably confused with Yiddish and many were mistakenly taken to be Jewish.

But most likely the underlying reason for the order was the prejudice against and hatred of Jews so widely felt among the Union forces.

Such bigotry is described in detail by Robert Rosen in his authoritative work The Jewish Confederates; by Bertram Korn in his classic American Jewry and the Civil War; and by other historians of the era. They recount how Jews in Union-occupied areas, such as New Orleans and Memphis, were singled out by Union forces for vicious abuse and vilification.

In New Orleans, the ruling general, Benjamin "Beast" Butler, harshly vilifiedJews and was quoted by a Jewish newspaper as saying he could "suck the blood of every Jew, and will detain every Jew as long as he can." An Associated Press reporter from the North wrote that "The Jews in New Orleans and all the South ought to be exterminated. They run the blockade, and are always to be found at the bottom of every new villainy."

Of Memphis, whose Mississippi River port was a center of illegal cotton trading, the Chicago Tribune reported in July 1862: "The Israelites have come down upon the city like locusts. Every boat brings in a load of the hooked-nose fraternity."

Rosen writes at length about the blatant and widespread anti-Semitism throughout the North, with even The New York Times castigating the anti-war Democratic Party for having a chairman who was "the agent of foreign Jew bankers."

New Englanders were especially hateful, and one leading abolitionist minister, Theodore Parker, called Jews "lecherous," and said that their intellects were "sadly pinched in those narrow foreheads" and that they "did sometimes kill a Christian baby at the Passover."

Meanwhile, in the South, Jews were playing a prominent role in the Confederate government and armed forces, and "were used to being treated as equals," as Rosen puts it, an acceptance they had enjoyed for a century and a half.

Dale and Theodore Rosengarten, in A Portion of the People: Three Hundred Years of Southern Jewish Life, observe that in 1800 Charleston had more Jews than any city in North America, and many were respected citizens, office holders, and successful entrepreneurs. Some referred to the city as "our Jerusalem" and Myer Moses, my maternal family patriarch, in 1806 called his hometown "this land of milk and honey." And so it seemed.

Some 3,000 or more Jews fought for the South, practically every male of military age. Many carried with them to the front the famous soldiers' prayer written by Richmond rabbi Max Michelbacher, who after secession had issued a widely-published benediction comparing Southerners to "the Children of Israel crossing the Red Sea."

Many Jewish Confederates distinguished themselves by showing, along with their Christian comrades, amazing courage, dedication and valor, and enduring incredible hardships against overwhelming and often hopeless odds.

The Confederacy's secretary of war (he would later become secretary of state) was Judah P. Benjamin, and the top Confederate commander, General Robert E. Lee, was renowned for making every effort to accommodate his Jewish soldiers on their holidays.

Some find it peculiar that a people once held in slavery by the Egyptians, and who celebrate their liberation every year at Passover, would fight for a nation dedicated to maintaining that institution. But while slavery is usually emphasized, falsely, as the cause of the war, Confederate soldiers felt they were fighting for their homeland and their families, against an invading army that was trying, with great success, to kill them and their comrades, burn their homes, and destroy their cities.

Anyone with family who fought to defend the South, as over two dozen members of my extended family did, cannot help but appreciate the dire circumstances our ancestors encountered.

The Moses Family

Near the end of the War Between the States, as I grew up hearing it called, my great grandfather, Andrew Jackson Moses, participated in a dangerous mission as hopeless as it was valiant. The date was April 9, 1865, the same day Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox. Having run away from school at 16 to become a Confederate scout, Jack rode out as part of a hastily formed local militia to defend his hometown of Sumter, South Carolina.

Approaching rapidly were the 2,700 men of Potter's Raiders, a unit attached to Sherman's army that had just burned Columbia and most everything else in its path, and Sumter expected similar treatment.

Along wih a few other teenagers, old men, invalids, and wounded from the local hospital, Sumter's 158 ragtag defenders were able to hold off Potter's battle-seasoned veterans for over an hour and a half at the cost of a dozen lives.

Jack got away with a price on his head, and Sumter was not burned after all. But some buildings were, and there are documented instances of murder, rape, and arson by the Yankees, including the torching of our family's 196 bales of cotton.

Meanwhile, on that same day, Jack's eldest brother, Lt. Joshua Lazarus Moses, who'd been wounded in the war's first real battle, First Manassas (Bull Run), was defending Mobile in the last infantry battle of the war. With his forces outnumbered 12 to one, Josh was commanding an artillery battalion that, before being overrun, fired the last shots in defense of Mobile.

Refusing to lay down his arms, he was killed in a battle at Fort Blakely a few hours after Lee, unbeknownst to them, had surrendered. In that battle, one of Josh's brothers, Perry, was wounded, and another brother, Horace, was captured while laying land mines.

The fifth brother, Isaac Harby Moses, having served with distinction in combat in the legendary Wade Hampton's cavalry, rode home from North Carolina after the Battle of Bentonville, the last major battle of the war, where he had commanded his company after all the officers had been killed or wounded. His mother proudly observed in her memoirs that he never surrendered to the enemy forces.

He was among those who fired the first shots of the war when his company of Citadel cadets opened up on the Union ship, Star of the West, which was attempting to resupply the besieged Fort Sumter in January 1861, three months before the war officially began.

Last Order Of The Lost Cause

The Moses brothers' uncle, Major Raphael J. Moses, from Columbus, Georgia, is credited with being the father of Georgia's peach industry. He was General James Longstreet's chief commissary officer and was responsible for supplying and feeding up to 50,000 men (including porters and other non-combatants).

Their commander, Robert E. Lee, had forbidden Moses from entering private homes in search of supplies during raids into Union territory, even when food and other provisions were in painfully short supply. And he always paid for what he took from farms and businesses, albeit in Confederate tender – often enduring, in good humor, harsh verbal abuse from the local women.

Interestingly, Moses ended up attending the last meeting and carrying out the last order of the Confederate government, which was to deliver the remnant of the Confederate treasury ($40,000 in gold and silver bullion) to help feed, supply and provide medical help to the defeated Confederate soldiers in hospitals and straggling home after the war – weary, hungry, often sick or wounded, shoeless, and in tattered uniforms. With the help of a small group of determined armed guards, he successfully carried out the order from President Jefferson Davis, despite repeated attempts by mobs to forcibly take the bullion.

Major Moses's three sons also served the Confederacy. One of them, Albert Moses Luria, was killed in 1862 at age 19 after courageously throwing a live Union artillery shell out of his fortification before it exploded, thereby saving the lives of many of his compatriots. He was the first Jewish Confederate killed in the war; his cousin Josh, killed at Mobile, the last.

Moses had always been intensely proud of his Jewish heritage, having named one son Luria after an ancestor who was court physician to Spain's Queen Isabella. Another son he named Nunez, after Dr. Samuel Nunez, the court physician in Lisbon who fled religious persecution in Portugal and arrived from England in July 1733 with some 41 other Jews on a tiny, storm-tossed ship. As one of the first Jews in Georgia, Nunez is credited with having saved the colony in Savannah from perishing from malaria or some ther kind of tropical fever.

After the war, Raphael Moses was elected to the Georgia House of Representatives and named chairman of the Judiciary Committee. One of his best known writings, reproduced countless times in books and articles, is a lengthy, open letter he wrote in 1878 to a political opponent who'd attacked him for being "a Jew."

This was a rare deviation from the general acceptance the South showed toward its Jews, and Moses hit back hard.

"Had your overburdened heart sought relief in some exhibition of unmeasured gratitude, had you a wealth of gifts and selected from your abundance your richest offering to lay at my feet," he wrote, "you could not have honored me more highly, nor distinguished me more gratefully than by proclaiming me a Jew."

One cannot help but respect the dignity and gentlemanly policies of Lee and Moses, and the courage of the greatly outnumbered, out-supplied but rarely outfought Confederate soldiers.

In stark contrast and in violation of the then-prevailing rules of warfare, the troops of Union generals Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan burned and looted homes, farms, courthouses, libraries, businesses, and entire cities full of defenseless civilians (including my hometown of Atlanta) as part of official Union policy not simply to defeat but to utterly destroy the South.

And before, during, and after the war, this Union army (led by many of the same generals, including Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, and Custer) used the same and even worse tactics to massacre Native Americans in what we euphemistically call the Indian Wars. It would be more accurate to call it mass murder – a virtual genocide – of Native Americans, including helpless old men, women, and children in their villages.

Why We Revere Our Ancestors

The valor of the Jewish Confederates and the other Southern soldiers and the blatant anti-Semitism so prevalent in the North form a nearly forgotten chapter of American history. It is, seemingly, an embarrassment to many Jewish historians – and hardly politically correct – in this day of constantly reiterated demonization of the Confederacy and worshipful reverence for Lincoln and his brutal generals.

But the anniversary of Grant's little-remembered Nazi-like decree and his other atrocities should serve to remind us what the Southern soldiers and civilians were up against. Perhaps it will help people understand why native Southerners, including many Jewish families, revere their ancestors' courage and, despite the controversy it causes in certain "enlightened" circles, still take much pride in this heritage.

Lewis Regenstein, a native Atlantan, is a writer and author. He can be reached at  Regenstein@mindspring.com.


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To: Ditto

Ridiculous analogy. Castro's Cuba is not, you know, HALF THE UNITED STATES. Sorta stupid comparison, wouldn't you say?

Also, Vallandigham was not alone. Lincoln had many people silenced and/or locked up for their anti-war views, this was nothing new. And Vallandigham was popular enough to come back and have a decent shot at being elected gov of a northern state. Yeah sure, he lost (Lincoln downplayed deporting him and endorsed his rival) but who cares, guy still got a sizable portion of the vote with the president actively campaigning against him and for his rival! Wow.

Vallandigham was no Cindy Shehan. He was a senator who was expelled for speaking about against a way unpopular war (imagine if the AWOL rate today was 94%!!) without charges or trial and he came back after the war to make a decent run for gov in a northern state.


741 posted on 11/29/2006 12:23:56 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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To: spacecowboynj
But I guess you're above accidents in your own mind.

Well, I'm certainly above pointing any gun, even if I think it's unloaded, up to my head and pulling the trigger. You call it an accident. I call it stupid.

742 posted on 11/29/2006 12:26:31 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: justshutupandtakeit

If a sitting prez is about to launch one half of this nation against the other (and I don't care what the reasons are) and anyone who doesn't go along with it like a lapdog is a "traitor" in your opinion, then you're sheeple pure and simple.

6 million dead in today's numbers folks! Go into Manhattan and murder everyone in it and you're still not even close.


743 posted on 11/29/2006 12:29:46 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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To: spacecowboynj
Castro's Cuba is not, you know, HALF THE UNITED STATES.

No, it's a separate nation, just as the south claimed it was, with a foreign military installation on its soil, just as the south claimed Sumter was. You say that the south was justified in firing on Sumter to keep it from being resupplied. Does Castro have the right to shell Guantanamo to keep it from being resupplied?

744 posted on 11/29/2006 12:29:59 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: spacecowboynj
If a sitting prez is about to launch one half of this nation against the other

But the southern position is that they weren't half of the nation anymore. They were a separate nation.

745 posted on 11/29/2006 12:31:17 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

These clowns never learn. They post cherry-picked quotes then one who is concerned about the Truth post the FULL selection which INVARIABLY shows the opposite of what they are trying to show. Almost every CW thread has several examples of this.


746 posted on 11/29/2006 12:32:55 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: spacecowboynj
Just because they raised them througout the Civil War (to pay for their war no less) doesn't detract from the fact that they ran on raising them BEFORE the war and continued to so LONG AFTER THE WAR.

Any economist will tell you that the purpose of a protective tariff is not to raise revenue but to shelter domestic industries. If it is doing its job properly a protective tariff should discourage imports and reduce their volume, thus reducing the revenues realized by the tariff. Hard to believe a 'tax and spend' party would take steps to reduce their tax revenue.

747 posted on 11/29/2006 12:34:16 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Yeah but we're not talking about his abilities with flintlocks, we're talking about his objection to the Civil War, aren't we?

If you want to talk stupidity, talk about Lincoln totally haveing zero concept of the risk involved. Stonewall Jackson would've had him under guard had Jefferson Davis not refused his request for 10,000 more troops (quote: "Give me ten-thousand men and I will take Washington tomorrow!") after they completely routed the Union force at the Battle of First Manassas.

Yeah, that's the kind of dipsh1T Commander-in-Chief I want running the show.


748 posted on 11/29/2006 12:39:17 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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To: spacecowboynj

The sitting prez did NOT "...launch one half of this nation against the other...". He did, much to your chagrin, respond to attacks on American forces as any president MUST.

If you have any concern about the death toll you should place the blame for it where it belongs - on the Slaver ruling class of the South as sorry a set of dogs as ever roamed the earth.


749 posted on 11/29/2006 12:42:09 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: spacecowboynj
Give me ten-thousand men and I will take Washington tomorrow!"

Interesting but a complete fabrication. Davis spoke to his army commanders, Johnston and Beauregard, that night, not to obscure brigade commanders. Davis wanted to them to move on Washington but it was the generals who talked it out of it.

Your Jackson quote has no more basis in fact than your 94% AWOL rate claim.

750 posted on 11/29/2006 12:43:05 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: spacecowboynj
Yeah but we're not talking about his abilities with flintlocks, we're talking about his objection to the Civil War, aren't we?

You are aware that flintlocks had all but disappeared by the time of the southern rebellion, aren't you? They had been replaced by percussion caps.

751 posted on 11/29/2006 12:45:42 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Any economist will tell you that the purpose of a protective tariff is not to raise revenue but to shelter domestic industries. If it is doing its job properly a protective tariff should discourage imports and reduce their volume, thus reducing the revenues realized by the tariff. Hard to believe a 'tax and spend' party would take steps to reduce their tax revenue."

First off, how can raising taxes on ANYTHING "reduce" tax revenue. If I raise taxes on gasoline tomorrow (they routinely get raised without any of you probably even knowing about it, both federal and state) are you going to buy less gas? Of course not.

It's this type of thinking and philosophy that is utterly, utterly frightening folks. It's totally against free trade and capitalism (Valligndigham was a notorious free trader and that's why he opposed the Civil War).

First off, protectionist tariffs always hurt SOMEONE domestically because they're the "demand" part of the supply and demand equation. It hurts another way too in that it squashes innovation by saying "well, our cars can't compete but we'll make it easy on the car companies by making it so they won't have to." Pretty stupid. Bush increasing tariffs on cheap imported steel ensured that our steel industry doesn't have to get its act together globally until that tariff is repealed (READ: Never). Raising tariffs on imports favoring one business over the other and that's something that to me, the govt should stay out of. I like free trade, even if you do not.
752 posted on 11/29/2006 12:47:00 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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To: Non-Sequitur

Whatever, I'm not a ballistics afficionado. Guy accidentally shot himself, Cheney accidentally shot someone else. Accidents happen. I'm sure I can track down some pretty notorious accidents (I think Teddy Roosevelt almost got himself killed on more than one occasion), but we're debating the Civil War.


753 posted on 11/29/2006 12:51:18 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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To: spacecowboynj
First off, how can raising taxes on ANYTHING "reduce" tax revenue. If I raise taxes on gasoline tomorrow (they routinely get raised without any of you probably even knowing about it, both federal and state) are you going to buy less gas? Of course not.

Never heard of the Laffer curve, have you? Arthur Laffer's theory, since demonstrated, is that there is an optimal point of taxation that maximizes your revenue. Go above that rate and the level of taxation discourages economic activity and actually results in lower tax revenues.

It's this type of thinking and philosophy that is utterly, utterly frightening folks. It's totally against free trade and capitalism (Valligndigham was a notorious free trader and that's why he opposed the Civil War).

Vallandigham was a well-known advocate of state's rights and didn't give a damn about free trade.

Raising tariffs on imports favoring one business over the other and that's something that to me, the govt should stay out of. I like free trade, even if you do not.

Or Jefferson Davis either. He signed the protectionist confederate tariff in May 1861.

754 posted on 11/29/2006 12:55:35 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Your Jackson quote has no more basis in fact than your 94% AWOL rate claim."

Please Non-Sequitur...make some effort yourself to do basic research. Just Google this stuff, ok? I swear, it's like feeding a baby, the baby gurgling it back, then having to wipe its mouth. But fine, here we go:

JACKSON:

(Q and A with Jackson's doctor)

"Was Jackson intimate with President Davis? When did you see him for the first time?" queried the scribe.

"The first time General Jackson ever saw President Davis was at First Manassas," replied Dr. McGuire. "The enemy had been routed and the wounded brought back to the field hospital which I had made for Jackson's brigade. Out of about eighteen hundred shot that day in our army six hundred or more were out of Jackson's brigade, and he himself had come back to the hospital wounded. The place was on the banks of the little stream of water just this side of the Lewis house. Hundreds of men had come back, the fight being over, to see about their wounded comrades, so there were really several thousand people gathered in and about that hospital. President Davis had gotten off the cars with his staff at Manassas Junction and ridden as fast as he could to the field of battle, He had been told along the route by stragglers that we were defeated. He came on down the little hill which led to this stream in a rapid gallop, stopped when he got to the stream and looked around at this great crowd of soldiers. His face was deadly pale and his eyes flashing. He stood up in his stirrups, glanced over the crowd, and said: 'I am President Davis; all of you who are able follow me back to the field.'

"Jackson was a little deaf, and didn't know who Davis was or what he had said until I told him. He stood up at once, took off his cap and saluted the President and said: 'We have whipped them; they ran like dogs. Give me ten thousand men and I will take Washington city to-morrow.'"


http://www.huntermcguire.goellnitz.org/stnwall.html

CONSCRIPTION

Conscription nurtured substitutes, bounty-jumping, and desertion. Charges of class discrimination were leveled against both Confederate and Union draft laws since exemption and commutation clauses allowed propertied men to avoid service, thus laying the burden on immigrants and men with few resources. Occupational, only-son, and medical exemptions created many loopholes in the laws. Doctors certified healthy men unfit for duty, while some physically or mentally deficient conscripts went to the front after sham examinations. Enforcement presented obstacles of its own; many conscripts simply failed to report for duty. Several states challenged the draft's legality, trying to block it and arguing over the quota system. Unpopular, unwieldy, and unfair, conscription raised more discontent than soldiers.

Under the Union draft act men faced the possibility of conscription in July 1863 and in Mar., July, and Dec. 1864. Draft riots ensued, notably in New York in 1863. Of the 249,259 18-to-35-year-old men whose names were drawn, only about 6% served, the rest paying commutation or hiring a substitute.


http://www.civilwarhome.com/conscription.htm
755 posted on 11/29/2006 1:08:46 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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To: spacecowboynj
Ridiculous analogy. Castro's Cuba is not, you know, HALF THE UNITED STATES. Sorta stupid comparison, wouldn't you say?

"Sorta" stupid statement. Fort Sumter was not half the United States. It was a tiny man-made island (made entirely with Federal dollars, by the way) totally deeded decades eariler by the State of South Carolina, for perpetuity to the Federal Government. It was completely surrounded by hundreds of Confederate heavy guns and thousands of Confederate troops. The handful of Federal troops living on starvation rations on Sumter posed no conceivable threat to Charleston, South Carolina or the other Confederate states.

GTMO, on the other hand sits entirely on mainland Cuban soil, (the US only has a lease, agreed to by a long defunct Cuban government, not ownership) and occupies the entirety of a very fine harbor to which Cuba has zero access. The US military presence at GTMO is substantial and could, if it chose to, present a serious security threat to Cuba.

All things considered, I'd say Castro would be far better justified in demanding a withdraw from GTMO than Davis was at Sumter.

Now again, you are the president, and Castro is starving the Marines out of GTMO. What do you do?

756 posted on 11/29/2006 1:08:58 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Non-Sequitur
The Confederate Constitution didn't abolish tariffs, it simply said they couldn't be raised for some nebulous "general welfare of the state" as per the US Constiution (read: Pork). Ahem:

The Confederate Constitution gave Congress the power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, for revenue necessary to pay the debts, provide for the common defense, and carry on the Government of the Confederate States..."

The Southern drafters thought the general welfare clause was an open door for any type of government intervention. They were, of course, right.

Immediately following that clause in the Confederate Constitution is a clause that has no parallel in the U.S. Constitution. It affirms strong support for free trade and opposition to protectionism: "but no bounties shall be granted from the Treasury; nor shall any duties or taxes on importation from foreign nations be laid to promote or foster any branch of industry."

The use of tariffs to shelter domestic industries from foreign competition had been an important issue since tariffs were first adopted in 1816. Southern states had borne heavy costs since tariffs protected northern manufacturing at the expense of Southern imports. The South exported agricultural commodities and imported almost all the goods it consumed, either from abroad or from Northern states. Tariffs drastically raised the cost of goods in the Southern states, while most of the tariff revenue was spent in the North.

The Confederate Constitution prevents Congress from appropriating money "for any internal improvement intended to facilitate commerce" except for improvement to facilitate waterway navigation. But "in all such cases, such duties shall be laid on the navigation facilitated thereby, as may be necessary to pay for the costs and expenses thereof..."

"Internal improvements" were pork-barrel public works projects. Thus the Southern Founders sought to prohibit general revenues from being used for the benefit of special interests. Tax revenues were to be spent for programs that benefited everyone, not a specific segment of the population.


https://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.asp?control=353&sortorder=articledate
757 posted on 11/29/2006 1:23:31 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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To: Ditto
Now again, you are the president, and Castro is starving the Marines out of GTMO. What do you do?

Well, if I promised I wouldn't invade in my inaugural address, if my commanders told me to abandown the fort, and if my cabinet and popular opinion told me likewise, I would relinquish the fort! Simple as that!

And you're being disingenuous. The Confederacy was not "starving" anyone. The Union occupied the fort (after abandoning virtually all others) on their soil and Lincoln was not sending bread, he was sending battleships.

Lincoln's top military commander, General Winfield Scott, told him to abandon Ft Sumter for crying out loud!
758 posted on 11/29/2006 1:29:31 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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To: Ditto
LINCOLN TO NAVAL COMMANDER GUSTAVUS FOX, 1861:

"You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Fort Sumter even if it should fail; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the results."

THERE YOU GO FOLKS! THIS WAS NOT ABOUT FEEDING "STARVING" TROOPS (AS IF THE SOUTH WAS GOING TO TOLERATE THEM ON THEIR SOIL REGARDLESS), THIS WAS ABOUT INSTIGATING THE CIVIL WAR.
759 posted on 11/29/2006 1:37:00 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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To: spacecowboynj

Oh and Ditto,

I don't know the arrangement we have with Cuba over Gitmo, but I do know that if Saudi Arabia told us to close up shop and get the hell out of their country, I would listen to them. Ditto for Japan and Germany.


760 posted on 11/29/2006 1:38:20 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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