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To: A. Pole
Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. "He is going to do what he can to create a place where the idea of America is just that – it's an idea. It's not an actual place defined by borders.

The United States of America is an actual place defined by borders. America is much older and is an idea as much as an indefinite place. These two things should be separated in concept. The USA is an incorporated entity; America was America even while British, French, Spanish, Indian, and Rusian before The USA was created by the Federal Constitution of 1787 or the Confederacy of a decade earlier, and America is still there underneath all this.

14 posted on 11/19/2006 3:44:24 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: RightWhale

The USA existed before the constitution was written and was governed under the Articles of Confederation which were adopted in 1787. The Constitution merely changed the structure of the government it did not create a non existent country, and the relationship of the states to each other. The declaration of Independence also styled the colonies as the united States of America. The Articles of Confederation also make it explicit that the US was the US before the constitution was written as can be seen below in Article I.

The Articles of Confederation

Agreed to by Congress November 15, 1777; ratified and in force, March 1, 1781.
Preamble

To all to whom these Presents shall come, we the undersigned Delegates of the States affixed to our Names send greeting.

Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia.

Article I. The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America."


39 posted on 11/19/2006 4:23:01 PM PST by old republic
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To: RightWhale

Sorry, I missed the typo. I meant the Articles of Confederation were adopted in 1777 not in 1787.


40 posted on 11/19/2006 4:28:23 PM PST by old republic
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