Are you truly naive or are you pretending? Where I work all the new holy immigrants of yours are on the state run health care system paid for by my taxes. They are on the system because the company won't pay them enough money to pay the insurance co-pay.
These wonderful immigrants don't speak English only spanish. Are they learning English? No. Unless they go to a state provided school. Their children are put in ESL classes that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to maintain.
And, for God's sake don't lie to me and say they pay taxes. Some do but those that work for cash don't.
Marxism does not come into play for me. Americanism does. I guess that's something you despise.
Nobody is advocating that we invite bums over here. Every proposal on increased immigration is tied to work. Sorry, you can't spin this one your way. Your position makes no sense.
You are right. They are already here. I guess your idea of an immigrant is one who will wash toilets as opposed to one who comes here educated and with a trade.
I already explained this. Supply and demand says that some are going to come nomatter what, since there is a demand and they have a supply, and there are not significant transaction costs to coming here.
Not only a source of cheap labor but a cheap source, too? Just one step above the slave owner mentality? That's not American. It might be super-capitalism but it's not an ideal that I look up to.
This doesn't apply to, say, Italy, because Italy has this little bump called the Atlantic Ocean between us. That imposes a huge cost on being able to relocate. It only makes sense to allow your neighbors first.
Who allowed them? They snuck in in the middle of the night. If those are your heroes then you are just as bad as they are. You are advocating the supplanting of the U.S. culture to provide cheap labor so you can get your lawn cut. How cheap. The destruction the American way of life for a lawn.
By the way. Your Catholic argument is pointless. I was a Catholic and have distanced myself from the Church due to their claim that we should take these illegals in but they are unwilling to foot the bill.
What good Catholics they are stealing from and coveting their neighbor's goods.
They are more like leeches than good Catholics. A true Catholic would not sneak into his neighbor's home and steal his food and impose his will on his neighbor.
Even if you are right, which you aren't, and even if that wouldn't change if we had an effective guest worker program, which it would, you'd still be wrong, because the amount of money they bring in, and the amount of greater economic efficiency they create, overall creates more wealth then they take.
These wonderful immigrants don't speak English only spanish. Are they learning English? No. Unless they go to a state provided school. Their children are put in ESL classes that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to maintain.
So what? Do you think every parent who sends his kid to school is a 'drain on the economy?' Rediculous. Education leads to longterm wealth. No economist disputes that.
And, for God's sake don't lie to me and say they pay taxes. Some do but those that work for cash don't.
But most don't work for cash. And even if you were right, that wouldn't be the case if we had a guest worker program. A guest worker program would make sure they pay taxes, that's part of the reason for having one.
Marxism does not come into play for me. Americanism does. I guess that's something you despise.
Nope, I still see you spouting protectionist nonsense.
You are right. They are already here. I guess your idea of an immigrant is one who will wash toilets as opposed to one who comes here educated and with a trade.
As long as they have jobs and work, it doesn't matter to me. What, don't tell me you are one of these Massachussetts elitists who looks down at mechanics, construction workers, janitors, etc.
Not only a source of cheap labor but a cheap source, too? Just one step above the slave owner mentality? That's not American. It might be super-capitalism but it's not an ideal that I look up to.
One step up from slavery? 'super-capitalism'? Is that you Phil Donahue?
I guess I am a 'super-capitalist' in the sense that I think voluntary transactions between adults in which one pays the other to work, should not be controled by the government. That's called a free market.
I guess you think it should be controlled by the Government? Let me guess: Minimum Wage should be $25 an hour so they aren't working for 'slave wages'.
Who allowed them? They snuck in in the middle of the night.
I'm allowing them. That's why I favor a guest worker program.
If those are your heroes then you are just as bad as they are.
I'd be glad to be 'just as bad' as those toilet cleaners you look down upon. I'd rather be one of them then an elistis, arrogant, condencending person such as yourself.
You are advocating the supplanting of the U.S. culture to provide cheap labor so you can get your lawn cut.
AH!!! Now the real issue, it's not really about economics, it's that you feel threatened by Latin American culture.
Why didn't you say so in the first place?
How cheap. The destruction the American way of life for a lawn.
Yah, I'm sure those redneck hick Catholic 'toilet cleaners' from Mexico represent a threat to the American way of life. I mean, geeze, if we let too many of them over here, Burritos might become more common then Hot Dogs! We can't have that!
By the way. Your Catholic argument is pointless. I was a Catholic and have distanced myself from the Church due to their claim that we should take these illegals in but they are unwilling to foot the bill.
So my Catholic arguement is worthless because you oppose the Catholic stance on immigration? That's kinda circular reasoning, don't you think?
What good Catholics they are stealing from and coveting their neighbor's goods.
Who are they 'stealing' from? All they want is a job. I favor allowing them to legally come here and have that job.
Apparently, to you, wanting a job is 'stealing' from someone else. I don't suppose you run the Teamsters, do you? They are more like leeches than good Catholics. A true Catholic would not sneak into his neighbor's home and steal his food and impose his will on his neighbor.