Posted on 10/30/2006 3:04:46 AM PST by abb
Duke accuser "talking crazy" after party
By AARON BEARD, ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER, Published: Oct 30, 2006
DURHAM, N.C. (AP) - The woman who said she was raped after performing as a stripper at a Duke lacrosse team party was clearly impaired and "talking crazy" afterward, the second dancer at the party said in an interview broadcast Monday.
"The trip in that car from the house ... went from happy to crazy," Kim Roberts told ABC News, which aired the interview on "Good Morning America" Monday and posted details on its Web site. "I tried all different ways to get through to her."
Roberts, who has previously called the rape allegations a "crock," left the party with the accuser and drove her to a nearby grocery store. Unable to get the accuser to leave her car, Roberts said she pushed on the woman's arm and leg to try to force her out.
At that point, Roberts said, the accuser said: "'Go ahead, go ahead. Put marks on me. Go ahead. That's what I want. Go ahead.' And it chilled me to the bone." -more-
http://dwb.newsobserver.com/24hour/nation/story/3406015p-12516942c.html
Sometimes the obvious is the real answer...LOL!
Nothing wrong with cynicism as abb and Shaw said. Many if not most people do the right things because they fear their neighbors, the public via government or God will punsih them if they don't. The problem in that that fear is not enough for a worisome segment of the population.
So I don't really care why Roberts is telling what seems to be the truth to me. I don't care that Roberts fuzz here statements while potentially under Nifong's thumb any more than I care what US POWs say while in enemy hands. All I care is that for whatever reason, Roberts seems to be telling the truth and she basically has from the start.
Imagine this case if:
1. Roberts had not said it was a crock from the start.
2. Roberts decided that Nifong had so much on her that she would corroberate Mangum's story?
The N&O type smear press coverage of this story would be continuing today. Grace, etal would be slamming these guys on TV every night. The inconsistencies in Mangum stories would be bandaged over by Roberts agreeing with whatever version Nifong decided to go with. The defendants ONLY hope would be that Mangum would be such a poor witness that the jury would not believe her.
Again, I don't care why she is telling the truth. I do care very much that she has looked at the situation and found telling the truth in her best interest for whatever reason.
Cash is clueless on this. Everyone gets an exclusive story in October. Who ever said look for the next on NBC is right, but on NBC not one of their cable shows. I suspect the defense interviewed Ms. Roberts and got this information and has doled it out to the networks.
Liefong's claim that he didn't interview Mangum because of her emotional state is a crock. First, it assumes a rape occurred or else she wouldn't be in an emotional state, but the purpose of such an interview would be to make a ground-floor determination as to the credibility of the accusation - did a crime (rape) occur? Did something else occur that made her angry enough to bring the claims? Does she have another motive for making the claim? If the accuser is believeable, and is a credible person, are her claims consistent with the evidence gathered thus far? All of this and more goes into the determination as to whether or not a crime occurred, and LIEFONG NEVER DID THIS. And I think we know why.
Sarah excellent point on this possibly prompting Roberts to call the police to get Mangum out of her car. And of course the way Roberts took Mangum comment that night might have been entirely different than the way she might take them after Mangum has cried rape.
Good article, abb. Thanks.
I'd like to see the author take it one step further and examine the known evidence that no crime as charged ever occurred. This would start with a look into why Mangum would make the accusation in the first place.
Mrs. Gillam's letter is almost comical in omitting any chastisement of women who do this sort of thing for a living. What about their accountability and the same expectations of them as young people? Yes, they're now older than the boys, but not by that much. It wasn't long ago that they were the same ages as the boys. What about their upbringing and character? Or are they automatically excused because they are black and ostensibly poor? Sleaze is okay then?
Somebody ought to give Mrs. Gillam an eyeful of ADA Crouch's website. I'd like to hear her commentary on character, expectations and the like in the context of ADA Crouch's conduct.
None of what she or Crystal (both liars) says mitigates the lack of DNA for an oral/anal/vaginal rape by three men. Even if Kim said she was raped too, it doesn't matter. There should be physical evidence. There is no case here. With so many being acquitted because of DNA evidence, it makes no sense to have convictions without it. /rant
Exactly.
And now that she's resolved her court case, she can blab away.
And Simeon should have pointed out that at that point in time, March 20, Kim was a lot more worried about what was going to happen to her on her warrant for violation of probation than she was about somebody else's phony rape charge.
According to the ABC site, Part II of Kim's interview will be on the Good Morning show tomorrow. (Tuesday).
Too bad they pulled the page.
"LIEFONG NEVER DID THIS"
...and he took the investigation away from the police department and prevented them from doing it a well.
I don't know if the importance of comments to "Go ahead, put marks on me" would have been known to Kim as of March 20. Further, she was concerned about her warrant and her own court case at the time. One would have to have a transcript or a closely accurate and detailed report of the interview to know whether there was any discussion that should have naturally led to her revealing that Mangum made the statement.
But I sure don't believe she intended to go to the authorities about the statement AT THE TIME. She was obviously avoiding the cops because of her warrant. Or did she really mean after the indictments came down (and her warrant had already been served on her by then anyway)? A better interviewer would have clarified when and why she decided to go to the authorities. "Authorities" may also in her mind include, in addition to the cops, the defense attorneys.
Don't fret.........
Durham's Assistant District Attorney is a PIMP!
http://funkb.us/dada/
.....or it was in the form of a threat........"Go ahead, leave marks on me (my "Man" will deal with you later)."
I dare someone with a Durham postmark to print and sent to Mrs H H Gillam in Durham
Man I double dare you!
LOL!
Mrs Gillam is active with the Boy Scouts.
Wonder if CDestine was a Boy Scout?
ROFLOL!
C.Destine, how I've missed ya!
Just showin' some luv. ;)
Hadn't thought of it from that perspective. Very possible.
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