Posted on 10/24/2006 1:33:25 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
The sound of helium filling up the balloon, of course.
As shown by many postings of their material by Creationists on this site.
After retiring from Los Alamos, Dr. Baumgardner now serves as professor of geophysics and space physics at the Institute for Creation Research.
Not overlooked, rather ignored.
Wow!! The hostility is fantastic.
Yes, spreading lies is guaranteed to tick people off. That's why Michael Moore gets a hostile reaction too.
It reminds me of when feminist law students would go ballistic and resort to mere ad hominem attacks when their view points were criticized.
Actually, it reminds me of how people respond to the cynical lies of liberals and communists, and for the same reasons.
I love it.
You "love it" when people tell giant lies, and other people get upset over the rape of truth? You're a sick guy.
Anyway, it is amazing that creationism is now viewed as "filthy".
Learn to read, son. When they tell lies -- and they tell a lot of them -- the lies are what's filthy. Feel free to disagree and defend the telling of lies, if you wish, but don't expect me to sign up.
What is filthy is when children are taught that they are nothing more than highly evolved animals.
Nobody teaches this. You should stop lying yourself. It is true that biology correctly teaches that we are the result of evolutionary processes, and that we are animals (we're not plants or bacteria, for pete's sake, we're animals just like we're mammals and vertebrates and so on), but nobody teaches schoolkids that we are "nothing more" than that, because of course we are more than "just animals".
We certainly can't expect them to behave in any other way when that is what they think they are.
Kids aren't as stupid as to misunderstand their biology classes as badly as, well, as you have.
But I really don't think actual debate is going to happen here anyways.
Not if you can't keep up your end of the discussion, no.
Not all of them. Some stand. Some live in stands, just like baseball fans.
The Pyramids show no high water marks.
Apparently, the MODS now approve posting of advertising in the Chat Forum, but not the News Forum.
[rock-encrusted hammer]
There are stalactites in the crypt under the Lincoln Memorial. Not terribly big, but growing.
I'm thinking all of us are here because our ancestors came from the future and couldn't get back. This means that all of us are related and that our descendants will evenually meet up with our ancestors. Hopefully our descendants can keep our ancestors from messing with time machines so we don't begin the vicious circle yet again.
Not so in Cromwell's Britain.
His model for a total state, which was implemented by the Committee Of Public Safety during The Reign Of Terror of 1793/1794, was derived from his admiring reflection on Calvin's Geneva.
Calvin was the tutor of Rousseau, who was the tutor of Robespierre, who was the tutor of Blanqui who was the tutor of Lenin.
The conservative historian Paul Johnson discusses some of the aspects of this heritage in his book Intellectuals.
But Rosseau's ideas about education still with us and highly influential. I think he went to his grave thinking that David Hume was trying to have him killed. Or something like that.
Indeed, the Western tradition of state-run public schooling derives from Rousseau's reimagining of Plato.
Interestingly, state-funded schooling began in the US specifically as an anti-Catholic measure by Gaelophobic Northeastern Congregationalists.
Didn't the Puritans have some form of public education. In any case Jefferson and Horace Mann talked about the benefits of it.
Certain communities in the Massachusetts colony had "common schools" endowed by general subscription to supplement the expensive private schools that already existed.
In any case Jefferson and Horace Mann talked about the benefits of it.
Jefferson theorized about public education. Horace Mann was a former teacher who agitated for more comprehensive public education in the MA statehouse in the 1830s. When the legislation he sponsored to establish a statewide board of education was successful, he resigned his seat and became the first superintendent, in 1839 or thereabouts. That BofE was only a standards body for MA schools, not a schools administrator. Mann fought to expand its power and authority.
At first he didn't get much traction, but ten years later - when there were tens of thousands of Irish immigrants in MA in the aftermath of the mid-40s famine and Catholic priests and nuns were setting up dozens of already quite excellent Catholic parish schools - public opinion began to go Mann's way very quickly.
The left wing of the MA Whigs, which included Mann, and which would subsequently break off and become the anti-Irish Native American (Know Nothing) Party were successful in getting a new statewide, state-funded education system modeled directly on the Prussian state education system.
The Prussian system itself, of course, was championed and strengthened by a young Bismarck who saw in it a counterbalance to the highly successful and popular Jesuit-run schools of Catholic Germany.
It was the only truly lasting policy initiative of the Know Nothings, and they openly promoted it as a necessary measure to prevent the rising tide of "Popery."
Massachusetts became the model for the nation and MA-style public schools became standard over the course of the following quarter-century.
Today's public schools may be nearly useless for education purposes, but they still fulfill their original mission of disagreeing with the Pope about everything.
Don't take that condescending tone with me. As an attorney I have had plenty to read. Granted, it is usually not done with the purpose of winning pointless arguments on web bloggs.
I looked at your page, and all the "research" you have done. It seems that you are an expert on everything, so I will just leave this thread be.
Ask Rather!
It isn't an ad hominem attack to point out that real scientists don't debate creationists becase the former believe the latter are frauds, kooks, and publicity whores out to do harm if, as is the case, that actually is the reason they do not debate them. (Although I did add some gratuitous stuff about Hamm, just for fun...)
Anyway, it is amazing that creationism is now viewed as "filthy".
I wrote that the lies are filthy, not creationism. Was this law school you attended an ABA-accredited institution?
But I really don't think actual debate is going to happen here anyways.
It could. But what kind of debate will it be when some of the creationists ignore the millions of data points which support evolution, in favor of an absurd belief in the literal truth of the Genesis stories?
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