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Toppling Linux
Forbes ^ | 10.30.06 | Daniel Lyons

Posted on 10/23/2006 9:07:01 AM PDT by N3WBI3

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To: Golden Eagle

I'm not talking about gcc, compilers are easily replaceable and if thats all Linux has to worry about there is *really* nothing to sweat. Im talking about the libraries and components you call 'indispensable'.

BTW: I wonder if the GPL3 will sink SUN?


81 posted on 10/24/2006 6:30:03 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3

LOL Linux is suffering an embarassing meltdown right in front of everyone and you're wondering if it will sink Sun? LMAO!


82 posted on 10/24/2006 7:03:21 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle

Cant address the point eh?


83 posted on 10/24/2006 7:19:31 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3

LOL what point? Your bogus assertion that Linux distros are compiled with something other than gcc? I just added it to the long list of other BS you've strewn across this thread.


84 posted on 10/24/2006 7:23:04 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Don't deny it, it's all on the record now, as you know.

Yes, we know, and we're still laughing at you for it.

85 posted on 10/24/2006 7:43:20 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

I don't see anyone laughing about the lies you knowingly and willingly perpetuated for months in your pathetic attempt to defend criminal Russian hackers. Maybe a couple of your Linux friends that like to glorify foreign hackers as much as you do, but that's it, if that.


86 posted on 10/24/2006 7:46:20 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
I don't see anyone laughing

I don't think you will unless we all hook up with web cams.

about the lies you knowingly and willingly perpetuated for months in your pathetic attempt to defend criminal Russian hackers

It was a quite successful attempt to ridicule you for posing as someone who knows all about security. Yes, I lied about one thing, forgive me oh master.

Now fess up to your lies and misrepresentations. OTOH, don't, I don't think FR can handle the extra bandwidth.

87 posted on 10/24/2006 8:25:57 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Yes, I lied

Yes, we know. Defending criminal Russian hackers, too.

88 posted on 10/24/2006 8:33:25 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Defending criminal Russian hackers, too.

You haven't shown that they are criminal.

89 posted on 10/25/2006 5:58:13 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
the anti-DRM folks across the globe willl likely rush to using it just like some use the "all-free" Debian now

Debian is a niche distribution... you continue to make my point that most of the folks running OSS aren't part of the Stallman groupie crowd.

90 posted on 10/25/2006 6:05:11 AM PDT by kevkrom (War is not about proportionality. Knitting is about proportionality. War is about winning.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Your premise is that for all eternity the FSF could take the Linux kernel and run it with their gpl3 tools causing a split of linux...

My point is that as time goes by and the gplv2 tool support is picked up by someone else it would diverge from the gplv3. If the kernel is written for the gplv2 branch of the gnu tool set the gplv3 branch wont work with them. The library calls will begin to differ. If you dont believe me go ahead and try running the kernel from FC6 on the gcc libraries of FC4 (about a year old). Let me know how many bad returns you get from calls by the kernel to those libraries.

The only ways for FSF to make their own linux (long term) could be:

1) They copy changes made to a gplv2 branch into gplv3, this would be no big deal because there would not be two versions of linux just two licenses to choose from.

2) They write their own kernel for gplv3, they would need Linus's ok to change the licnese on his work. They would also need his permission to call whatever they did 'Linux'. Finally the FSF and stallman have shown while they write nice tools they cant do the os.

3) Linus goes along with GPLv3, will only happen if the anti drm stuff is trimmed out of the license and then this discussion is academic.

91 posted on 10/25/2006 6:09:24 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Golden Eagle

Hey GE, I have news for you. Camel cigarettes just turned communist! Yes, their new packaging has the same style of artwork that you complain about Mozilla using.

We must fight the foreign communist cigarettes!


92 posted on 10/25/2006 6:35:49 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: N3WBI3
They would also need his permission to call whatever they did 'Linux'.

That's really going to piss off Stallman when he's finally done with the HURD kernel. It'll be out there, but almost nobody will be using it except for a small group of hackers who generally try anything, and his hard core supporters.

It will not have the name recognition of Linux, and while the code may be free (as in speech and beer), the trademark isn't (not in speech and only sometimes in beer).

93 posted on 10/25/2006 6:44:20 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
The Russian hackers you've defended for months with admitted lies were obviously violating the US laws which protect our intellectual property. The best excuse you've been able to come up with is since they were in Russia they are legally free to pillage our goods which is obviously just another one of your lies and a great demonstration of how a devious liberal mind works.
94 posted on 10/25/2006 11:07:18 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: kevkrom
Debian is a niche distribution...

Not anymore, the Ubuntu distro is another "all free" distro that is directly based on Debian and has been at or very near the top of the distrowatch list for months. These guys are so fanatical they are even getting Stallman's GNU groups involved in making an all-free ripoff of Firefox called Iceweasel. My points are rock solid, as usual, maybe you'll catch up to the facts one day.

95 posted on 10/25/2006 11:18:55 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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The Russian hackers you've defended for months with admitted lies

My lie wasn't in defending them. My lie was in letting you believe an American hacker was Russian. That still has you fuming, doesn't it?

were obviously violating the US laws which protect our intellectual property

Name the law and how they may have violated it (were they subject to its jurisdiction). I bet I can. Can you?

The best excuse you've been able to come up with is since they were in Russia they are legally free to pillage our goods

The actions in question did not necessarily involve "pillage," as I take it to mean the unlicensed copying and distribution of software.

96 posted on 10/25/2006 11:25:06 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: N3WBI3
If the kernel is written for the gplv2 branch of the gnu tool set the gplv3 branch wont work with them.

BS, Stallman's GNU environment has even been ported to the Solaris kernel, called Nexenta, if any porting is even required to the Linux kernel it should be even easier.

97 posted on 10/25/2006 11:33:48 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
BS, Stallman's GNU environment has even been ported to the Solaris kernel

Really the Solaris kernel makes native calls to GPL libraries? wont this move away from GPLv2 screw Solaris then?

98 posted on 10/25/2006 11:59:39 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3

LOL all this GPL anarchy is only going to benefit Sun Solaris. Obviously, as it already has.


99 posted on 10/25/2006 12:08:47 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Why? You already said yourself the solaris kernel makes calls to GPL libraries when these are updated to version 3 solaris will have the same legal limitations of use as Linux *in your opinion* would be faced with.

You cant have it both ways either Solaris is fine because coding around the newer gpl license is not big deal (in which case Redhat should have no issue) or anything that needs any GPL libraries is in trouble (in which case Solaris and RedHat would be negatively affected)..

BTW: I am glad to see solaris resurgent, I like having choice as an admin and solaris (not i86) was always one of my favorite operating systems...

100 posted on 10/25/2006 12:19:54 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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