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'60 Minutes' interviews Duke lacrosse defendants (DukeLax Ping)
Durham Herald-Sun ^ | October 11, 2006 | John Stevenson

Posted on 10/11/2006 1:52:56 AM PDT by abb

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To: jennyd
I doubt there was a single case of rape allegations prosecuted without a complaining witness. Don't they have a constitutional right to confront their accuser?

Sorry but it happened in the next county over from me. A guy raped a woman. She was murdered later before the rape case came to trial. [I think the prosecution suspected the rapist but had no evidence.] They had a witness or outcry witness to the rape who testified and the guy was convicted.
781 posted on 10/14/2006 10:42:34 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Howlin

Yea. Her father said he doesn't know where she is and the last time he saw her was by chance in traffic. She was a passenger in a car and he walked over and asked how she was and she said fine and the car drove off.


782 posted on 10/14/2006 10:48:10 PM PDT by SarahUSC
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To: JLS

There is no outcry witness in this case.


783 posted on 10/14/2006 10:52:29 PM PDT by jennyd
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To: Jezebelle
Liefong would have cut her damn finger off and used it to point to three, if he had to.

Excellent way to put it. And to the literalists here, Jezebelle is just engaging in hyperbole.
784 posted on 10/14/2006 10:54:54 PM PDT by JLS
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To: jennyd

I agree that it would be harder for Nifong to go forward without Mangum's testimony in this case. I was only showing you were wrong when you guessed that there had never been a rape case prosecuted when the victim did not testify. In the age of DNA this might be more likely to happen.

I imagine there are a number of cases of raped mentally challenged people that have gone forward on the basis of DNA evidence and not victim testimony. The DNA might often be from the offspring from the rape, but I bet there are a number of such cases.


785 posted on 10/14/2006 10:58:26 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

Who said I believed him? But I sincerely doubt he ever directly told her anything.


786 posted on 10/14/2006 10:59:41 PM PDT by jennyd
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To: JLS

He doesn't have any DNA matches either.


787 posted on 10/14/2006 11:00:53 PM PDT by jennyd
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To: jennyd

You are of course wrong again. Nifong most certainly does have DNA matches in this case.


788 posted on 10/14/2006 11:05:40 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

I am getting tired of this nonsense. DNA matches? I am talking about DNA found in the woman. WTF are you talking about?
He is not prosecuting the donor of the DNA found in her, is he? So, again, WTF are you talking about?


789 posted on 10/14/2006 11:12:45 PM PDT by jennyd
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To: JLS

I don't think he has any DNA matches that help his case.

Dave's match on a towel doesn't surprise me - he lives there. And the partial match on a fingernail doesn't advance things either. His lawyers said he handled it and it was in his trash can with his dental floss etc.

The only DNA from Precious that I'm aware of is from her boyfriend.

He has Matt Z.'s DNA on the floor of a bathroom but he has cleared Matt Z.

I think the DNA is exculpatory for the players.


790 posted on 10/14/2006 11:17:17 PM PDT by SarahUSC
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To: jennyd

I am trying to correct some of your mistakes on this thread. It is apparently a full time job, I dont have time for.

1. First you say that you do not believe that a rape case has ever beeen brought when the rape victim did not testify. I mention one locally. I then pointed out an entire class of such cases I suspect are out there.

2. You respond with a false of topic statement about DNA in this case. I point out the obvious that you were wrong again.

3. You respond with another of topic statement about what Nifong is doing in this case.

You style of discussion is know as bait and switch. I don't really understand, why you just could not say, you are right there are rape cases without a complaining witness.


791 posted on 10/14/2006 11:48:10 PM PDT by JLS
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To: SarahUSC; jennyd

The DNA in this case is not exculpatory. It is neither incriminating to the people charged But it had nothing to do with the other discussion I was having which I guess is why it was introduced.


792 posted on 10/14/2006 11:50:34 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

The legal definition of exculpatory is clearing or tending to clear from alleged fault or guilt.

The accuser in this case alleges a three person gang rape where no one wore a condom and at least two of the perpetrators ejaculated. And yet no DNA from any of the three charged lacrosse players was found on her or in her. Only her boyfriend's DNA was found. To me, this tends to clear them from alleged fault or guilt. I think it strains credulity to think that this kind of violent attack could take place under these circumstances and somehow there is not a trace of any of these guys anywhere on the accuser. They would have to be very immaculate rapists.


793 posted on 10/15/2006 12:15:12 AM PDT by SarahUSC
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To: xoxoxox

Hooking isn't paying much in Durham these days.

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/498783.html


Published: Oct 15, 2006 12:30 AM
Modified: Oct 15, 2006 02:52 AM

14 arrested in prostitution sting

From Staff Reports
DURHAM - Fourteen people were arrested on prostitution charges in a Friday night sting.

Nine men and five women were arrested by officers posing as either prostitutes or johns.

They discussed performing sex acts for prices ranging from $10 to $25.

In one case, Makeisha Elaine Parker, 31, 212 Cushman St., offered an undercover officer, B.D. Schnee, oral sex in exchange for a ride to the store, according to warrants.

(snip)


794 posted on 10/15/2006 12:42:23 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief
Hooking isn't paying much in Durham these days.

It appears law enforcement in Durham isn't paying enough either...........

Durham County Deputy, 4 Others Charged With Drug Trafficking

http://www.wral.com/news/10077017/detail.html

795 posted on 10/15/2006 2:30:44 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Howlin

I've told many people how this has ruined the lives of those kids and a few people have scoffed, which surprised me. I get furious thinking about this hooker and have avoided these threads recently because my fury is so intense.


796 posted on 10/15/2006 3:57:59 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: RecallMoran

Where is Elliot Ness when you need him? Remember this exchange?



Malone: You said you wanted to get Capone. Do you really wanna get him? You see what I'm saying is, what are you prepared to do?

Ness: Anything and everything in my power.

Malone: And *then* what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way because they're not gonna give up the fight until one of you is dead.

Ness: How do you do it then?

Malone: You wanna know how you do it? Here's how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way, and that's how you get Capone! Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?

Ness: I have sworn to capture this man with all legal powers at my disposal and I will do so.

Malone: Well, the Lord hates a coward. Do you know what a blood oath is, Mr. Ness?

Ness: Yes.

Malone: Good, 'cause you just took one.


797 posted on 10/15/2006 4:30:48 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath; All
I've got the TIVO set to record 60 Minutes as I'm sure we'll all be talking about it and need it "for the record". If I get really ambitious I could put bits and pieces up on YouTube but I'd have to do it in a way that would be within the "fair use" provision of the copyright law.
798 posted on 10/15/2006 4:49:59 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath; All
New thread on tonight's 60 Minutes broadcast
799 posted on 10/15/2006 5:55:24 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Howlin

"This woman has destroyed everything I've worked for in my life for a lie,"

My son's words exactly.


800 posted on 10/15/2006 6:07:36 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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