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To: ArrogantBustard
" Ludicrous! Any freedom can be infringed upon by the simple expedient of armed force."

My observation is that it most often takes place at the ballot box. The loss is piecemeal.

There is also no such thing as "a freedom". There are rights. Freedom is a condition where men respect the rights of their fellows. If the opportunity exists for the rights of individuals to be taken away by the majority, then that is the problem, not the fact that those minority individuals haven't multiplied like rabbits, or mice.

The same applies to the idea that freedom is the ability to toss a vote to pick one's ruler(s).

323 posted on 10/10/2006 12:37:42 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
My observation is that it most often takes place at the ballot box. The loss is piecemeal.

And the ballot box is backed up by armed force. Government is armed force; nothing more, nothing less. Various forms of government are different ways of determining who gets to control that armed force.

There is also no such thing as "a freedom". There are rights.

Fine. There are no rights which cannot be infringed or even completely suppressed by the simple expedient of armed force.

If the opportunity exists for the rights of individuals to be taken away by the majority,

That opportunity always exists, everywhere. To think otherwise is to be ignorant both of history and of human nature.

fact that those minority individuals haven't multiplied like rabbits, or mice.

Nice piece of ZPG propaganda there ... If Civilisation A refuses to procreate at a sufficent rate to maintain its population and Civilisation B procreates at a rate exceeding replacement, Civilisation A will disappear and Civilisation B will replace it. You can duck and weave all day, but the facts of demographic change won't go away.

337 posted on 10/10/2006 12:46:55 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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