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We Have Two Dollar Gas!(Oskaloosa,IA $1.99!)
gasbuddy.com ^ | 9/14/2006 | staff

Posted on 09/14/2006 6:29:21 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Someone please tell me what is so different now than 6 months ago to have caused this price drop other than an election being two months away?

Only two things are different:

1. Supply.
2. Demand.

Seriously though, this summer the refineries on the Gulf coast were still in post-Katrina recovery. Also, gas prices go up during the late spring and summer and hen decline in the fall every year; this year's height was just higher because of high Chinese and Indian demand.

BTW, I'd love to hear your explanation for how Bush, or Rove, or the oil company execs on their own initiatitive can drop oil price a buck or so. Is there a "low gass" button on Dubya's desk?

321 posted on 09/15/2006 1:27:11 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We didn’t lose 3,000 people that day. We lost one wonderful person at a time, 3,000 times.)
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To: PackerBronco
"Oh wait," you say, "that has nothing to do with gas prices!" Uh, yeah. And where's YOUR evidence that the decline is due to the elections?

My, that's an echoing silence you got back...

322 posted on 09/15/2006 1:28:18 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We didn’t lose 3,000 people that day. We lost one wonderful person at a time, 3,000 times.)
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To: Iowa Granny
First and foremost, Big Oil has decided to invest in Ethanol production. So Big Oil has decided to drive the price of gasoline down in order to discourage any further private investment in additional Ethanol plants.

What brand of tinfoil were you wearing when you wrote that?

323 posted on 09/15/2006 1:30:00 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We didn’t lose 3,000 people that day. We lost one wonderful person at a time, 3,000 times.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
I'm the son of a geologist from an oil company. The oil companies do very very well right now (of course in the 1980's many of them lost their butts) but they still only make about 10 cents profit on every gallon sold...

If gas is at 2.75 (as it was when I wrote a column debunking "price gouging" in May) that's a blistering 3.27 % profit margin. How many of us would still have livelihoods if our business or employer had to get by on a 3.27% margin?

324 posted on 09/15/2006 1:33:22 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We didn’t lose 3,000 people that day. We lost one wonderful person at a time, 3,000 times.)
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To: Sacajaweau

The per gallon price on Dasani bottled water works out to $4.16 per gallon. What's the profit margin on that, I wonder?

Alclad model paints, which are used to simulate bare metal finishes on aircraft models, cost over $1,000 per gallon, but since the company sells it a few ounces at a time, nobody thinks of it that way.


325 posted on 09/15/2006 1:36:58 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We didn’t lose 3,000 people that day. We lost one wonderful person at a time, 3,000 times.)
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To: indcons

Price gouging? Balderdash. You are hereby sentenced to read my column for May 11, or take an econ class. my column will be shorter and cheaper, so here it is:

The Democrats and Republicans continued their race to the bottom this week, and for a while they wish to run on the same track. Democrats spouted their annual pretended outrage at gas prices, and this time the GOP joined them, with Senate Leader Frist, Speaker Hastert and President Bush all rushing to call for another fruitless price gouging investigation. While we wait for the Beltway bloviators to call for repeal of the law of supply and demand, let’s look at eight facts they don’t seem willing to discuss.

1. The big oil companies recently posted record profits, but they also recently reported record sales. Funny how those two things go together, isn’t it?

2. Big Oil makes roughly 9 cents per gallon in profit these days. If gas is at $2.75, they’re pulling down a blistering 3.27 % profit margin. Now, ask yourself this: How secure would your job be if your employer had to operate on a 3% profit margin? Would they even stay in business? Would entrepreneurs get out of bed in the morning to make a 3% profit margin running a small business?

I don’t care how much money Big Oil is making, nobody makes 3.3% profit when price gouging.

3. Depending on the state, taxes are somewhere between 26 and 60 cents per gallon. Sure, roads need to be funded and gas taxes are a great way to do that because greater use of roads leads directly to more money for roadwork. Still, consider that a moratorium on Illinois and federal gas taxes would bring us gas somewhere in the area of $2.36 here in Freeport. A graph of Big Oil profits over the last 30 years looks like a roller coaster, while a graph of gas taxes shows a nice, steady climb that well exceeds inflation. Who’s gouging who?

4. Speaking of gouging, why hasn’t the anti-gouging chorus gone after the bottled water industry? Dasani, for example, is currently going for $1.06 per liter. That works out to $4.16 per gallon for something not much different than what comes out of your tap. What do you think the profit margin is on a gallon of Dasani? They’re not the worst, though. Check the per-gallon price on Pepto Bismol, Dom Perignon, Coca-Cola or “inexpensive” Testor model paints. Don’t get me started on the Alclad lacquer I dream of using on my model planes; at $6.96 per ounce the price works out to over $1,000 a gallon.

What could drive these businesses to offer their products at these insane prices? Could it be a little thing called “supply and demand?”

5. Despite Dick Durbin’s recent ludicrous proclamation that there’s “no end in sight” for oil prices, leading Democrats know that crude and pump prices will decline steadily for months before the election. To capitalize on high prices, they have to get the idea that the GOP is aiding and abetting Evil Oil cemented in the minds of voters while prices are still high.

Keep this in mind when the Dems demagogue this issue all summer: According to the April 28 Federalist Digest email newsletter, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid has voted to raise fuel taxes 12 times and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has voted to raise them 5 times so far.

6. While we’re addressing the Democrats, let’s remember who has opposed new refining facilities in the U.S. for 30 years or so, opposed new nuclear plants for about the same amount of time and been at the forefront of taking up refinery capacity with “boutique” gas mixes for certain major cities.

Each of these things has a consequence at the pump. America’s low refining capacity is a bottleneck that reduces supply and drives prices up, and the boutique fuels exacerbate that problem. Fewer nuclear plants mean more oil-fired plants, which means less crude going to gasoline production, and more pollution.

7. Here’s another good find from the Federalist Digest: Fuel supply coming out of the Gulf Coast is still down almost 20% because of damage from Hurricane Katrina. Gas demagogues aren’t going to tell you that, and they sure won’t be reminding us what happens to prices when demand rises and supply goes down.

8. These days, large American corporations are mainly owned by American wage earners and retirees. Sure, the fat cats in the limos are out there, but the bulk of the shares are owned by pension funds and other investment groups. In other words, Big Oil’s profits are helping Grandma stay retired now and Joe Lunchbox and Jane Teacher look forward to a properly funded retirement in 20 years.

The Beltway demagogues are counting on us to be economically ignorant and easily riled. They surely don’t deserve our help, so let’s not oblige them.


326 posted on 09/15/2006 1:41:27 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We didn’t lose 3,000 people that day. We lost one wonderful person at a time, 3,000 times.)
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To: Sacajaweau

"We're at $2.74....This is Upstate New York and getting scr**** is nothing new to us!!"

I'll say we're getting screwed. It's still $2.85 here in central NY.


327 posted on 09/15/2006 3:58:44 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: EternalVigilance

It's no joke.


328 posted on 09/15/2006 4:29:40 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: kellynla
Congratulations.

I paid $3.11 for Regular at the MOBIL station in Carlsbad, CA last night.

We'll see if this recent drop actually reaches the 'Left-Coast'...
329 posted on 09/15/2006 4:55:24 AM PDT by Barney59 ("I'm currently tagline-less")
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To: TYVets
$2.109 in Southwestern Missouri on Thursday.

Less 5% with a Shell Visa Card.

$2.109 - $0.105 = $2.004.

Only 1/2 of one cent to go and over a month until Election Day.

Crazy Claire McCaskil is deeply saddened.

330 posted on 09/15/2006 5:01:49 AM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Barney59

2.65 Fountain Valley,CA


331 posted on 09/15/2006 5:06:20 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
I'll be there in a few hours...
332 posted on 09/15/2006 5:07:27 AM PDT by Barney59 ("I'm currently tagline-less")
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To: Mr. Silverback

Thank you....I will certainly read the article and get back to you.


333 posted on 09/15/2006 5:29:18 AM PDT by indcons (Freepmail "indcons" to get on/off the military history ping list.)
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To: kellynla

2.38 Baltimore


334 posted on 09/15/2006 5:32:46 AM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: Mr. Silverback
It's no "conspiracy." Oil experts have been telling us---but no one would listen---that we weren't anywhere close to running out of supplies, and now we have (more) major finds that show we have oil out the wazoo.

I'm a big believer in hydrogen---it's one of the reasons I liked the National Aerospace Plane so much---but it must come about on its own time, on the private dollar, not the government's.

335 posted on 09/15/2006 5:50:16 AM PDT by LS
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To: icwhatudo

Houston hit 1.99 and IA hit 1.96 last night!


336 posted on 09/15/2006 6:06:46 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: greasepaint

Well, your exactly right. The issue is misinformation. The problem is, exactly WHO is correct. The scientist Glenn Beck had on his show explained the misdirection and use of "specific" words to imply your comment. He stated the it takes approximately 1 gallon of OIL...Petro is REFINED oil.


337 posted on 09/15/2006 6:11:05 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Sounds great. Let somebody develop it without my tax dollars.




It appears to be no problem about the tax dollars....Honda is releasing theirs in 2 years and BMW is releasing theirs next year. WE LOOSE yet AGAIN! Can someone say BYE Detroit!


338 posted on 09/15/2006 6:12:35 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: TommyDale

I doubt it. If you live in Iowa, you NEVER, EVER buy gas from Casey's. It's watered down and can mess up your car. Terrible convenience stores!


339 posted on 09/15/2006 6:13:54 AM PDT by Jazzman1 (l)
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To: Jazzman1

Caseys in Indiana seems to work just fine, and they sell midrange (90 octane) for the same low price as regular, and both are the cheapest in town. I check my mileage with each tankful.
One of my old friends who used to work for Standard of Ohio (Sohio - now BP) told me:
"everybody cheats on the additives but they don't all cheat on the same ones, so rotate among various brands and you'll do fine"
I don't see any difference between gas from Caseys and Shell or Speedway (Marathon).
I won't buy Citgo because it's Chavez, or BP because they screwed me by price fixing propane (my home heating fuel).


340 posted on 09/15/2006 6:22:05 AM PDT by nascarnation
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