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Posted on 08/28/2006 2:26:14 PM PDT by batmast

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To: AFreeBird

In my present position in the world I would publish right here on FR and let everybody have the tech for free. I would also wander up to the EE Dept on campus and talk to a couple profs. They would probably head straight to the lab or the supercomputer and somebody would show up from the media and then I would take a hotel room in a distant city and become a man in disguise on the run shunning publicity.


61 posted on 08/28/2006 5:10:07 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: thackney
From my point of view, this is also used as an approach to secure federal funding for further research. I pay for it whether I want to or not. If the darn thing worked, they can patent it and make a small scale product to prove the process.

And when was the last time the patent office accepted applications for "Free Energy" or perhaps, "perpetual motion" machines?

If they won't accpet the application, you can't patent it. No patent, no royalties. Go ahead and make it and sell it without one, and GE, GM, hell even Micro$oft, will patent it and slap you down and you end up in the poor house with legal fee's and judgments. Or at the very least out sell you because the have the resources to go into full worldwide production a hell of a lot faster than you can.

BTW: I'm always willing to complain about wasteful government spending, but on something like this; do you honestly think they would invest time and resources in it if they didn't think it could be viable? And of course there's always the possibility that the government would buy it and burry it and use it in the black budget, while you and I are paying through the teeth for gas, oil, LNG and electricity.

62 posted on 08/28/2006 5:12:48 PM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: RightWhale
... then I would take a hotel room in a distant city and become a man in disguise on the run shunning publicity.

That's what the Carribean Island is for! :-)

Cool, I'm glad you're in a comfortable position. Me, I think I'd want a little something for my trouble. I'm not greedy: 1% maybe?

63 posted on 08/28/2006 5:16:11 PM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: AFreeBird

On the patenting aspect: patent those parts of the machinery that are patentable such as magnet design. There will be a lot of little pieces and some will be new, or novel as they like to say. Don't even bother to try to patent an overall free energy machine.


64 posted on 08/28/2006 5:18:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: AFreeBird
And when was the last time the patent office accepted applications for "Free Energy" or perhaps, "perpetual motion" machines?

They've done it more than once. The requirement now is a working model.

The United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) has granted a few patents for motors that are claimed to run without net energy input. These patents were issued because, skeptics claim, it was not obvious from the patent that a perpetual motion machine was being claimed.

Some of these are:

Johnson, Howard R., U.S. Patent 4151431 "Permanent magnet motor", April 24, 1979

Baker, Daniel, U.S. Patent 4074153 "Magnetic propulsion device", February 14, 1978

Hartman; Emil T., U.S. Patent 4215330 "Permanent magnet propulsion system", December 20, 1977 (this device is related to the Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy (SMOT)),

Flynn; Charles J., U.S. Patent 6246561 "Methods for controlling the path of magnetic flux from a permanent magnet and devices incorporating the same", July 31, 1998

Patrick, et al., U.S. Patent 6362718 "Motionless electromagnetic generator" , March 26, 2002

65 posted on 08/28/2006 5:19:21 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: AFreeBird

I have an idea there could be plenty of remuneration in the form of books and movies.


66 posted on 08/28/2006 5:19:23 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: AFreeBird
BTW: I'm always willing to complain about wasteful government spending, but on something like this; do you honestly think they would invest time and resources in it if they didn't think it could be viable?

With enough public outcry from the uninformed? You bet Congress would. Physics, facts and economics come far behind election issues. Why do you think we haven't drilled in ANWR?

67 posted on 08/28/2006 5:21:43 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
I guess you missed the part about the patent office not accepting applications for devices that would, or could be, considered perpetual motion or free energy devices. They've spent too much time with them in the past. The boy that cried wolf thingy.

So you would need scientific validation 1st, before proceeding to the patent office.

It's a logical process in light of previous scams, and all the naysayers.

If they're scammers, it will be revealed. If not, they're taking steps to legitimize it and make some dough. As a capitalist myself, I can't fault them for that.

68 posted on 08/28/2006 5:22:15 PM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: batmast
Is this anything like the persistent offer I was made at a Mazatlan hotel of "a free buffet, only 20,000 pesos/ticket! Why not...it's free!"?

(at the time $1 = 2,700 pesos.)

69 posted on 08/28/2006 5:27:28 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: RightWhale
Naww, books and movies would require one to interact with the hollywierd crowd.

I'll settle for a life of obscurity on some remote island somewhere, FReep from my hammock swaying in the breeze, cold frosty one nearby (a parrot to open the bottle), Claim a 5 mile defensive perimeter and MINE IT! LOL

70 posted on 08/28/2006 5:29:19 PM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: AFreeBird
require one to interact with the hollywierd crowd

That's okay. I already have some contact of a low impact kind, both with academia and the arts. I have a plan. Just as I have a plan for each of a large number of very unlikely events.

71 posted on 08/28/2006 5:39:28 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: batmast

The Lutec folks have been at this longer.

http://www.lutec.com.au/

I've been watching those guys for over 4 years now. Mostly just to watch them when someone comes with the silver bracelets, but hey, if they pull it off, I'll buy one :)


72 posted on 08/28/2006 5:49:45 PM PDT by Malsua
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I doubt if they are little chips and they are not seen except by mistake and then are considered to be UFO's.


Diggity


73 posted on 08/28/2006 6:32:25 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: thackney

LOL. I'm not as gullible as you might think. I'm rooting for the guy but I'm not about to put any of my money into his venture. Hope he's on to something, though.


74 posted on 08/28/2006 7:26:18 PM PDT by Ticonderoga34
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To: batmast

Once you create electric energy with this process, where does the WASTE HEAT go?


75 posted on 08/28/2006 7:59:46 PM PDT by timer
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To: batmast

Money for nothin' and your E for free


76 posted on 08/28/2006 8:02:07 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: AFreeBird

Because you eat your own cat food, and, man, this is cat food that would put you above five Bill Gates in six months if it worked... Waiting to license it is tons of money lost each *second*.


77 posted on 08/28/2006 8:48:41 PM PDT by Codename - Ron Benjamin (I'm gonna sing the doom song now. Pre-emptive, multi-tasking, interrupt control!)
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To: AFreeBird
So what was the moral of the story? Not to cry wolf when there is none; or if something is important or desirable to know, is it not worth checking out on the off chance it might be correct?

Ahhh...but here we have the classic "apples to oranges" analogy.

On the one hand we have the laws of probability. On the other hand we have the laws of physics.
Ignore the laws of probability at your leisure.
Ignore the laws of physics at your peril.

But I digress. Indeed, it is only semantics as you say.
But when someone makes the claim to be able to create energy they had best be prepared to be scoffed at.
Some may asked to be convinced and will then observe. Most will say "First Law of Thermodynamics!" and move on.

I am intrigued to be sure but the inventors of this "new technology" would have been better served if they'd simply stated "We have a device that is 100% efficient."
When they use the language that they did, many will not even stop to ask for proof. Foolish? Perhaps.

In any event, I sent them an email address so I can be informed when the evaluation is complete. I read the whole website and as I said...I am intrigued.

P.S. The math behind the whole dark matter 'discovery' is a little daunting, neh? I think I read the article here on FR somewhere...

And I prefer chocolate with my beer but its a moot point since I don't have any of either. Poop.     =;^(

78 posted on 08/28/2006 9:04:04 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Winning shows strength. Winning without fighting shows brilliance.)
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