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Brother: Karr didn't kill JonBenet
Yahoo | 8/25/06

Posted on 08/25/2006 5:52:05 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside

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To: freespirited
OK, granted, if the Ramseys did it, it was not in the usual manner. And if the Ramseys didn't do it, might the police/prosecutors THINK so? I'm still looking for the why of dragging Karr all the way to Colorado with flimsy evidence.

I haven't heard the 911 call, it would be interesting to do so, anyone have a link to the sound file? It might not be very decisive, it could have been an act. But I'd still like to hear it.

61 posted on 08/26/2006 12:05:49 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: hunter112

An FBI friend of mine says that the consensus of those he knows that are aquainted with the case is that Burke did it and the parents covered up for him... But I have a hard time believing that myself.


62 posted on 08/26/2006 12:57:29 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: at bay
I agree, it wasn't Patsy. But what about Burke?

I don't know why people suspected Burke. I do remember someone saying he was a frail child and therefore probably could not have done it. Personally I think this was a sex crime, so I can't see him as a suspect. A nine year old making that garrot and covering her mouth with duct tape of unknown origin? I just don't see it.

Also, it's not his DNA under her nails and in her panties.

63 posted on 08/26/2006 7:01:18 AM PDT by freespirited (We have met the enemy and it is Wal-Mart. ---The Democratic Party)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I'm wondering about the letters at the end of the random note and how it was similar to the yearbook. That was a big coincidence.

I wouldn't convict someone just because someone could produce a string of words from the yearbook that start with the letters SBTC. What I agree is an incredible coincidence is that his first wife claims he used to sign letters to her with the same letters. If there were physical evidence of that, coupled with his chilling comments to the police informant there would probably be a lot more suspicion of this creep than we currently see.

64 posted on 08/26/2006 7:08:24 AM PDT by freespirited (We have met the enemy and it is Wal-Mart. ---The Democratic Party)
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To: hunter112
I haven't heard the 911 call, it would be interesting to do so, anyone have a link to the sound file? It might not be very decisive, it could have been an act. But I'd still like to hear it.

I looked around but couldn't find a sound file. MSNBC has a transcript but without her voice it isn't worth much.

65 posted on 08/26/2006 7:11:15 AM PDT by freespirited (We have met the enemy and it is Wal-Mart. ---The Democratic Party)
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To: hunter112
I'm still looking for the why of dragging Karr all the way to Colorado with flimsy evidence.

Because Karr talks like he did it and he would be considered a flight risk (he's already skipped out in California). That's probable cause (not enough to convict but enough to hold somebody over). Boulder finally had a location on him so they swooped in and took him while they could knowing he might disappear again if they didn't.

FWIW, I don't have a problem with apprehending Karr (although one has to factor the cost/reward aspect here given who would have to pay for all of this). What I have a problem with is the media hyperventilating over this before hardly any evidence linking him to the crime is presented. We already know his entire family tree, all the family's dirty laundry, etc. yet NOBODY can even place this guy inside the state of Colorado in 1996.

I'm still waiting for some evidence of that, even hearsay evidence. Nope. Zilch. Zero. Nada. Unless the guy is Peter Pan, he needed some means to get to Boulder and I've yet to hear any evidence to that regard. As flimsy as the Karr family defense is that he was with them, it's still stronger than anything the prosecution has come up with to say he was in Boulder (except for Karr's own statement which I disregard without any corroboration).

66 posted on 08/26/2006 12:34:43 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: Tall_Texan
As for Karr becoming a flight risk, weren't the Thai authorities about to bust him for sex crimes there? Either they have something really damning on Karr, or they want a shot at seeing how Ramsey squirms when Karr's attorney calls him to the witness stand. A ten year old "I saw him in Boulder that day," recollection is not gonna cut it.

As for the media hyperventilation, I think that the timing of the arrest was designed to take advantage of the media. They waited until the Israel-Hezbollah cease fire stopped news from coming from the Mideast, and a vacuum needed to be filled. The whole shirt-and-tie, champagne flight was designed to elicit maximum hype. If indeed John Ramsey is involved, he must be frantic right now. Hasn't he called for the public not to "rush to judgment"? If my kid's killer had been found, I'd be angling for a seat at the execution.

67 posted on 08/27/2006 12:36:58 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: hunter112

I think the "Thais were going to arrest Karr anyway" angle was early misinformation. Later info said they only arrested him because the Americans requested it.

I did find it a bit suspicious that it was Ramsey's lawyer Lin Wood that was basically the first to jump on the bandwagon when Karr was arrested. It just smelled like he was being way too eager to conclude the arrest exonerated his client. Yes, I know it is part of his job but it just looked like too much too soon - giving more the appearance of a PR stunt than a considered response.

Your thought about using Karr to put John Ramsey on the stand is an interesting angle I hadn't considered. I did feel like this arrest, coinciding roughly with the same time frame as Patsy dying and Burke being no longer a minor, might have been timed or staged. John Ramsey has nobody to hide behind now so perhaps the whole episode is to make him (or Burke) testify under oath. However, I don't know if the folks in Boulder are clever enough to do that. They're still the Keystone Kops until they prove otherwise.


68 posted on 08/27/2006 1:58:35 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: at bay
Perhaps "evil" is not exactly the right word. Perhaps pure "id" is more apropriate. From Wikipedia:

Freud's structural theory

Ego

In Freud's theory, the ego mediates between the id, the super-ego and the external world. Its task is thus to find a balance between primitive drives, morals and reality while satisfying the Id. Its main concern is with the individual's safety and allows some of the Id's desires to be expressed, but only when consequences of these actions are minimal. Ego defense mechanisms are often used by the ego when Id behavior conflicts with reality. This conflict occurs between the Id and either society's morals, norms, and taboos or between the Id and the individual's expectations as a result of the internalization of these morals, norms, and taboos into the superego.

Although in his early writings Freud equated the ego with the sense of self, he later began to portray it more as a set of psychic functions such as reality-testing, defence, synthesis of information, intellectual functioning, and memory.

The word ego is taken directly from Latin where it is the nominative of the first person singular personal pronoun and is translated as "I myself" to express emphasis.

Super-ego

The super-ego is a symbolic internalization of the father figure and cultural regulations. The super-ego tends to stand in opposition to the desires of the id because of their conflicting objectives, and is aggressive towards the ego. The super-ego acts as the conscience, maintaining our sense of morality and the prohibition of taboos. Its formation takes place during the dissolution of the Oedipus complex and is formed by an identification with and internalization of the father figure after the little boy cannot successfully hold the mother as a love-object out of fear of castration. "The super-ego retains the character of the father, while the more powerful the Oedipus complex was and the more rapidly it succumbed to repression (under the influence of authority, religious teaching, schooling and reading), the stricter will be the domination of the super-ego over the ego later on — in the form of conscience or perhaps of an unconscious sense of guilt" (The Ego and the Id, 1923). The concept of super-ego has been subject to criticism for its sexism. Women, who are considered to be already castrated, do not identify with the father, and therefore form a weak super-ego, apparently leaving them susceptible to immorality and sexual identity complications. In Freud's work Civilization and Its Discontents (1930) he also discusses the concept of a "cultural super-ego".

Id

The id ("das Es", cf. Latin id, English it, German es) is the psychical system "which behaves as though it were the Unconscious", or the "dynamically unconscious repressed", in effect, the reservoir of need-gratification impulses such as the primitive instinctual drives of sexuality and aggression. Freud believed that the id is inborn, operating on the dynamics of the primary process mode of thinking. The drives of the id are said to work according to the pleasure principle, requiring immediate gratification or release without concern for external exigencies. Though hunger itself may be seen as a pure id desire, the crying of the hungry infant is already an instinctive attempt to relate, that is, to communicate that need to the object of the drive in question, namely, one who can help to satisfy that need. Thus drives are linked to object relations, as Freud observed in his 1895 essay "Project for a Scientific Psychology".

Freud may have borrowed the term das Es from his advocate and personal acquaintance Georg Groddeck. Groddeck, a pioneer of psychosomatic medicine and self-proclaimed "wild analyst", published Das Buch vom Es (roughly, "The Book of It") several weeks before Freud published The Ego and the Id (1923). German readers would have been aware of Nietzsche's previous use of "it" to describe that which is impersonal and subject to natural law within us.

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My brother is pure "Id" as he has no or very little concience. His "primitive desires" are the only driving force in his life. There is no or very little "ego" to act as a balance to his over powering "Id". His self-defense mechanism is to lie and to ignore anything that is contrary to his id's desires. He would run away from home as a small 6 or 7 year old and tell absolute horror stories to people he could con into giving him what he wanted, ie, food, transportation, shelter, etc. And these people were almost always senior citizens, thus as an adult he became a gigolo and preyed upon elderly rich women. Apparently, his brain is structured abnormally for some reason that may never be discovered by science. Others like him are everywhere in this world. It may be a birth defect, either genetically caused or developmentally produced in the womb. In either case, I believe that he is incurable and will be this way until he dies...................

69 posted on 08/28/2006 5:25:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: at bay
(And could the perp be Burke?)

I have suspected him from the very beginning. here is my reasoning:

If, the father had killed JonBenet, the mother would have been outraged. Conversely, if the mother had killed JonBenet, the father would have been outraged. If Burke, the little brother, had killed his sister, then the parents, in order to avoid losing both children, would have concocted this story of an intruder and kidnapping with a stupidly written note. Burke would have been put i some institution for probably the rest of his life, and Patsy could not accept this situation. She wrote the ignorant kidnapping note, edited it, and perfected it to her satisfaction, and then placed it where it was found. The crime scene was cleaned as best they could and the body hidden in the basement.

This may be just conjecture on my part, but I don't think Karr did this. He's just a sick person who wants attention. Only his DNA found there would convince me, and even then it could have been put there after the fact. Having only my brother as a guide, I believe Burke is probably the prime suspect. A person, such as my brother, can lie so convincingly, he can appear as an innocent little angel to even professional investigators. The parent's actions, on the day of the murder, were so out of whack with what would be expected of a grieving parent, that it made me extremely suspicious of Burke..........

70 posted on 08/28/2006 5:39:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: Red Badger

From the outset, I became convinced Karr is a sick, lying individual bent to extract notoriety by a false confession to Ramsey's murder.

He and the evidence (or lack thereof) proves me right.

Karr is a pathological liar.


71 posted on 08/29/2006 6:41:28 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: azhenfud

He's sick, literally, so we must at least have some compassion for him as a mentally ill person. My brother is the same way. Pathological liar, craves attention at all costs, pure "id".............


72 posted on 08/29/2006 6:52:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: Red Badger

Maybe Karr's false confession and the publicity will lead to his getting the help he so desperately needs - before someone really gets seriously hurt.


73 posted on 08/29/2006 8:49:14 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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