Breaking - Ramsey Case

CNN ^ | 8/18/06 | CNN

[fivecatsandadog]

A U.S. law enforcement official tells CNN that the man held in the slaying of JonBenet Ramsey offered details about the condition of her body that have never been made public.

[Halls]

We are great detectives here!

So does that mean we all agree we don't think this guy is guilty, lol?

[Toskrin]

Not very similar at all. notice the unusual lowe case "r" in the yearbook. It has a little tail at the bottom and almost looks like a "c". There's a different, and more standard, "r" on the ransom note.

Of course there would be about 13 years between these samples. I don't know if my printing would match up over that length of time.

[EnquiringMind]

Does anyone have a link to Patsy's writing sample? I saw it a few years ago.

[mystery-ak]

So far, I am not convinced he is the murderer.....Greta is up

[pnz1]

Didn't her Dad and a family friend move her body or bring it upstairs before the police arrived?

[mystery-ak]

Yes.....they disturbed the crime scene

[Halls]

Dad carried Jonbenet upstairs and put her on the floor. I think he was doing what all dads would have done. If I had been in his shoes I would have grabbed my child and tane her to get help. Thing is she was going through rigor at that point and I think she was very stiff and it was obvious to John once he got her upstairs she was gone.

[Halls]

neither do I, but I will wait to issue judgement.

[oceanview]

based on what we know now, I don't think so.

but anyone can alter their handwriting, so this is not the definitive piece of evidence.

look how fast the Thai police backed off all of the reports about him saying that he drugged her, picked her up from school, etc. all of the disqualifying stuff from yesterday, they withdrew today.

I still think it comes down to:

DNA
prove he was in Boulder and not someplace else that day
how did he know the Ramseys
explain the issues regarding what he would have had to do entering and while inside the house to commit the crime

[Halls]

I agree.

[Conservative Texan Mom]

Here are some links about the rerouted emails:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/18/karr.questions/index.html

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/National/JonBenet_Ramsey.html

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/18/D8JIVM9G0.html

[ElkGroveDan]

Found the photos, but not the emails...they still have the date I created them 1/28/99, so this "teddy bear" lead came out a full year after.

....

DA casts net for a Santa bear

Hunter asks public to help locate toy or ID its maker as possible clue in JonBenet case

By Charlie Brennan
News Staff Writer

---

BOULDER -- A mysterious Santa Claus teddy bear unexpectedly emerged Thursday as a possible clue in the JonBenet Ramsey murder.

Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter released a one-page statement and a photograph of the toy, saying he needed help in determining where the stuffed animal came from.

The white bear dressed in a Santa suit puzzles authorities. Its whereabouts apparently are a mystery, adding a twist to the tangled 2-year-old case.

Family members say the bear did not belong to JonBenet, the 6-year-old beauty princess found murdered in her family's basement the afternoon of Dec. 26, 1996.

"It wasn't hers," said the child's aunt, Pam Paugh. "I believe it was on the other (twin) bed in JonBenet's room."

"It's an example of something left in the house that didn't belong there and wasn't owned by any member of the family. And, that's pretty significant, in my book."

Or it could be something more innocent.

Two nights before JonBenet's murder, her parents hosted a Christmas party for family members, neighbors and friends. A guest might have given JonBenet the bear without her parents' noticing.

Hunter's plea for help came two days after a visit to his office by detectives Tom Haney and Lou Smit, who served as consultants in the case. Smit resigned Sept. 20, saying that not enough attention was being paid to "substantial, credible evidence of an intruder."

The color photograph, apparently from the dozens of rolls of pictures shot by crime-scene technicians, depicts a fuzzy white bear, about a foot long, lounging in a red, long-sleeved bolero jacket. The bear is sporting a black belt with a small pouch for presents dangling from it.

In the picture, the bear appears to be on the comforter of a bed.

Hunter's statement included nothing about where the bear was found, what efforts have been made to explain its presence in the home, or why it could be important in the case.

The bear is not listed among the hundreds of items seized from the Ramsey's upscale Boulder home during the 10-day search that followed discovery of the child's body. That and Hunter's unusual public appeal indicate it's not in the possession of authorities.

"I make this public request for assistance knowing that it will give rise to considerable speculation about the status of the Ramsey case," Hunter said.

"I intend to let this speculation take whatever course it will, since to confirm or deny theories about what this all means would most certainly damage the ongoing investigation."

A dozen tips poured in within hours of Hunter's announcement. Hunter, whose staff has been presenting the case to a grand jury since Sept. 15, is hoping anyone who recognizes the bear or has the same kind of bear can identify:

• The manufacturer.

• The retail outlet that might have sold it.

• The time period in which the bear might have been available for purchase.

  Longtime Denver prosecutor Craig Silverman, now in private practice, was surprised the bear is not among items seized as evidence.

  "The general rule at a crime scene of this type ... is to take more, rather than less," said Silverman, "because, you don't know for for sure what's going to be of importance -- as proved by this teddy bear."

  Silverman said investigators possibly want to know more about it, for the purpose of identifying fibers found at the crime scene.

  Fort Lupton resident Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, the Ramseys' housekeeper at the time of the murder, was unsure whether she had seen the bear during any of her visits to the Ramseys' 15-room Chautauqua Park-area residence.

  "I don't think I have," said Hoffmann-Pugh. "It may have been on the other bed. I just don't remember for sure if it was or not."

  One of the immediate responses to Hunter's plea for help came from a man in Elk Grove, Calif. He e-mailed Assistant District Attorney Bill Wise that he had down-loaded the picture, enhanced its colors and eliminated a yellow tone that he felt detracted from its usefulness as evidence. He e-mailed an improved version of the photograph to Wise.

  "And it is, it's just a better picture," Wise said. "His response to me was, 'Glad I could help."'

  Staff writer Lisa Levitt Ryckman contributed to this report.

  January 29, 1999

[Conservative Texan Mom]

b, p, y and l all have similar pen strokes. R's are pretty different. I'll leave it to an expert though.

[spectre]

Good job, Dan..Thank you.

So maybe you have an idea what happened to the bear? Did someone from the investigation take it home for their own kid?

I'm going to be gone from morning to Sunday night...so I'll check back for your answer. You must have a theory?

sw

[ElkGroveDan]

No theory....but I'm much better at Photoshop than I was 7 years ago.

[Conservative Texan Mom]

I wonder how many amateur internet detectives are at work with this case tonight? lol

I'm kinda of doubtful about it being this guy. None of the evidence, that we are aware of anyway, seems overly impressive. DNA will tell.

[Conservative Texan Mom]

I agree. If your a parent and you find your child like that, I doubt you're thinking, "I better not disturb the body or else they'll think I did it."

[gswilder]

I also read something about a reference to "SBCT" on the ransom note. Supposedly, Karr wrote the same reference in his yearbook several years before the killing. Give them a few weeks, and we should know a lot more whether this is for real or not.

[varina davis]

Who is Greg Ramsey? He was on TV tonight and looks like the sketch.

[Yaelle]

The lower case a's match.

But the g's and the a's could change in style as a person matures.

What seems to me more important is that the lower case tall letters curve to the right at the bottom in both samples. This seems like a deeper habit that would prove harder to change.

The "forest" (not the trees) view of the two samples shows a very feminine handwriting in high school. Not just the extra phony flourishes either. The Ramsey ransom note looks like it was written by a man.