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Karr chloroformed JonBenet, he says
The Australian ^ | 8/18/06 | N/A

Posted on 08/17/2006 9:39:43 PM PDT by stinkerpot65

AN American schoolteacher accused of murdering six-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey in the US in 1996 has told police in Thailand that the girl died accidentally from an overdose of chloroform he administered before raping her. A senior Thai police official said that under questioning in Bangkok, Karr said he had chloroformed the child so he could rape her in the basement of her home in Boulder, Colorado.

“He told us that after sex he realised he had accidentally killed her,” said General Suwat Tumrongsiskul, director of immigration police. “He also told us that they loved each other. She was 'his' beauty queen.”

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KEYWORDS: jonbenet; karr; ramsey
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To: PhilipFreneau
I just spent about 20 minutes looking at autopsy/toxicology information and detection of chloroform during autopsy. Some interesting information.

Firstly, chloroform can be detected in blood, urine and bile, however the concentration of chloroform decreases dramatically during the hours between death and the autopsy.
http://www.cctoxconsulting.a.se/33_chloroform.pdf#search=%22%2Bautopsy%20%2Bchloroform%22

Secondly, detection of chloroform is not done in a normal autopsy toxicology screen. In some people, chloroform leaves an obvious odor in the body that, if detected, will clue a coroner into the possible existence of the drug. Unless there is reason to believe it was used, testing for it is not part of normal autopsy procedure.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/m7j8tx7m4h413238/fulltext.html

Chloroform is still used in veterinary medicine and can be had that way. Also, it is still in wide spread use in third-world countries, such as Thailand, were it can easily be bought on the black market.

Chloroform is also used as a sexual took for deviants. During masturbation, prior to ejaculation, some people get autoerotic asphyxiation, they'll either use some strangulation material to choke themselves or some have been known to use chloroform!!!

I'm reading the Ramsey autopsy report, specifically the section on the toxicology screen. I can not find where the coroner tested for the presence of chloroform. Under Toxicological Studies it states only Blood Ethanol - none detected, blood drug screen - none detected.

There is no other mention of any other samples sent to a lab for testing, or in fact, no mention of the drugs looked at in the screening.

I've searched for months and have never been able to find the toxicology report from her autopsy. It's holdback evidence.

From what I'm reading, chloroform, while not a perfect "weapon" to kill someone with could be missed during a routine autopsy especially if enough time had lapsed between death and the autopsy or if the coroner didn't suspect chloroform was used and didn't order tests.

I am seeing that vials of her blood were turned over to the Boulder police as part as evidence. I wonder if chloroform could be detected in a sample all these years later to corroborate this guys story or to show he's just a nutcase looking for 15 minutes of fame.
61 posted on 08/17/2006 11:41:44 PM PDT by Brytani (Someone stole my tagline - reward for its return!!!)
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To: Shelayne

I agree with you, 100%. There is NOWAY this DA, after 10 years of the Boulder PD and DA's office taking it on the chin, would spend the time and resources to get the FBI and ICE involved to pick up a guy 1/2 way across the world without some damned good solid evidence.

When you also consider California has open arrest warrants against him and Colorado was able to get their arrest done first, that tells me something.


62 posted on 08/17/2006 11:45:51 PM PDT by Brytani (Someone stole my tagline - reward for its return!!!)
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To: kcvl

Sounds like Jeff Shapiro's story - it is, isn't it? He got sucked over to the even darker side, lol.

Yeah, Team Ramsey is a whirling vortex that only exists for one purpose. When John kicks the bucket, I don't know what they'll do with themselves.

Better yet, what about when he remarries, like real soon? That should make them see that *they* are the only ones on John's "team," he isn't even on it.


63 posted on 08/18/2006 12:01:36 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: kcvl

Shoes? Does he give Smitty co-credits?


64 posted on 08/18/2006 12:25:39 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Brytani
I've searched for months and have never been able to find the toxicology report from her autopsy. It's holdback evidence.

I've been wondering if this might be some of the evidence they've kept to themselves, as LE always does on open cases.

I wonder how many unknown "tidbits" there are in that file. I bet there are some interesting items, indeed.

Tomorrow (OK later today-ugh) I will wake up to even more bizarre tales of John-I-have-man-boobs-Karr. Of that I am certain.

65 posted on 08/18/2006 12:35:13 AM PDT by Shelayne (...And though my heart is torn, I will praise You in this storm... ~~Casting Crowns)
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To: cherry; prisoner6
An autopsy can reveal chloroform as a cause in death.

Because of the suspected violent application of a volatile compound and to avoid a loss of tissue concentration the samples for toxicological investigations were taken at the very beginning of the autopsy. The detailed results showed that a chloroform poisoning has been the only cause of death.

source

66 posted on 08/18/2006 12:42:19 AM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: nopardons

67 posted on 08/18/2006 12:49:14 AM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Shelayne

There's no doubt this guy is a real piece of work. I'm not putting money that he's the actual killer - I do believe he knows who did it and probably has evidence/information to back that up.

Or, he's smarter then we're giving him credit for. You sexually assault a 6 yr old little girl, you've got outstanding warrants for arrest on child porn and molestation charges..you're well educated. Innocent by reason of insanity or guilty by instanity is so much nicer then the death penalty.

Begin by acting "nuts", get the world convinced you're a fruitcake...taint the jury pool etc. I mean, the guy is educated, he's a pedophile who are VERY good at tricking people and hiding their crimes. I wouldn't put it past him.


68 posted on 08/18/2006 12:50:11 AM PDT by Brytani (Someone stole my tagline - reward for its return!!!)
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To: stinkerpot65

I am still unconvinced that this weird little man is the murderer. I will be surprised if he did the horrible deed in this case. I will stick to my guns and wait in doubt, even in the face of all the news stories that work to proclaim the case solved.


69 posted on 08/18/2006 12:57:52 AM PDT by OriginalIntent (Undo the ACLU's revison of the Constitution. If you agree with the ACLU revisions, you are a liberal)
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To: nopardons; Shelayne
I don't know how "easy" it would have been to get some of his DNA.

I'm no expert, but I thought you could easily get a sample from things like a toothbrush or hair sample. After all, they sometimes get the sample from victims that they compare to from a strand hair, or even dried saliva.

Wouldn't it be funny if the police used his obsession with Jonbenet, just to get him back to the states, so that he could at last be prosecuted for the child porn stuff?

That is probably an extraditable offence but I doubt they put that much effort (extradiction or a 'sting' like this) into a simple possession charge.

This is almost like the Duke rape case at this point. So much doesn't add up yet you have to think the LEOs got a lot more than what has been made public so far.

70 posted on 08/18/2006 1:01:17 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: South40

LOL


71 posted on 08/18/2006 1:02:08 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Northern Alliance
I haven't seen it posted, but perhaps I missed it. So let me pose the question now.

WHAT ABOUT THAT THREE PAGE LETTER ?

Whoever wrote it, knew exactly the amount that Ramsey got for a bonus that year. How would Karr know this info?

How would he have had the patience to sit there and write and write and write, without fear of being found, a stranger in the house, after he had murdered that poor little girl, whom he now claims he loves; especially if it was an "accident"?

How would he have known where to find the pad, the pen, or anything else, that was used?

How did he get into the house? And don't tell me through the basement window! There was snow on the ground and NO footprints there.

72 posted on 08/18/2006 1:24:43 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: prisoner6

Yes, it would show up in liver, tissue and lungs, maybe nasal or sinus passages.


73 posted on 08/18/2006 1:44:19 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: river rat

I don't think he did it. I think he's a stone cold loony, though. I also think he moves and looks like a homo. He is bizarre, that is for sure.


74 posted on 08/18/2006 1:47:44 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: kylaka

I think it's a good match, too, ten years considered.


75 posted on 08/18/2006 1:49:20 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Armigerous

Oh please..........


76 posted on 08/18/2006 1:50:21 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: OriginalIntent

No one has tried to convince you yet. We have very little facts. How about let's wait and see??


77 posted on 08/18/2006 1:52:13 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: pepsionice

I have a little theory, although I'm not wedded to it.

Supposedly he told his father back in 2001 that he was arrested for the murder of Jonbenet. He also wrote Patsy Ramsey a few months ago that he killed her. He's obviously a pedophile. He's obsessed with the case. Maybe he has a compulsion to kill a child and knows it and is doing this to get himself off the streets. He may well believe he killed her.


78 posted on 08/18/2006 1:56:38 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Brytani

What I'm interested in learning is how the Boulder DA's office tracked him to Thailand.



Internet cafe's are the norm in Bangkok or Thailand. Tourists use them to stay in touch with family and friends while on holiday. I always use the same one or two locations when I am there. It costs about 1 thb per minute or 2 cents a minute.


79 posted on 08/18/2006 2:05:02 AM PDT by greenishness
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To: nopardons; Howlin
You and Howlin are hereby detailed as the posse to catch details, establish time lines and resolve conflicts.



BY DIRECTION OF INVESTIGATEWORLD

Colombo

Lieutenant


80 posted on 08/18/2006 2:08:22 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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