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Confession in JonBenet case questioned (Picked her up at school?)
Yahoo ^ | 8/17/06

Posted on 08/17/2006 5:58:41 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside

Confession in JonBenet case questioned

By CATHERINE TSAI and JON SARCHE, Associated Press

Writers 38 minutes ago

BOULDER, Colo. - For a moment, it seemed the decade-old mystery surrounding the slaying of a child beauty queen had been solved. But authorities Thursday cautioned against rushing to judge the schoolteacher who made a stunning confession that he killed JonBenet Ramsey.

For now, the only public evidence against John Mark Karr are his own words. And questions have already been raised about the details of his story, including whether he drugged the 6-year-old girl, sexually assaulted her or was even in Colorado at the time of the slaying.

Those questions led some to wonder whether Karr was the answer to the long-unsolved slaying or a disturbed wannabe trying to insert himself into a high-profile case.

"We should all heed the poignant advice of John Ramsey," Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy, quoting the little girl's father. "Do not jump to conclusions, do not rush to judgment, do not speculate. Let the justice system take its course."

Paraded before a raucous crush of reporters in Bangkok, Thailand, the sullen Karr told how he loved JonBenet, was with her when she died but that her death was an accident. And while vague on the details — "it would take several hours" — he answered flatly when asked if he was innocent: "No."

"The bottom line is that they now have a confession and until and unless they can corroborate that confession with either physical evidence or strong circumstantial evidence, that's all they have," said Scott Robinson, a Denver attorney who has followed the case from the beginning.

Added former Denver prosecutor Craig Silverman: "I have to believe they have more than this kooky confession."

Karr told investigators he drugged and sexually assaulted the little girl before accidentally killing her in her Boulder home, according to a senior Thai police officer who was briefed about the interview with U.S. authorities.

Yet JonBenet's autopsy report found no evidence of drugs, saying her death was caused by strangulation after a beating that included a fractured skull. And while it describes vaginal injuries, it makes no conclusions about whether she was raped. Investigators later concluded there was no semen on JonBenet's body.

According to Thai police, Karr also said he picked JonBenet up at school and took her back to her home. But the slaying came during the holiday vacation season.

Karr's ex-wife told TV reporters she cannot defend him, then insisted he was with her in Alabama during Christmas 1996, when JonBenet's battered body was found in the basement of her home. And authorities have not said whether Karr could have written the detailed ransom note found in the Ramsey home, with its demand for $118,000 (the bonus that had recently been awarded to the girl's father, John Ramsey).

Even the Colorado professor who swapped four years' worth of e-mails with Karr and brought him to the attention of prosecutors in May refused to characterize the suspect either as killer or kook.

"I don't know that he's guilty," said Michael Tracey, who teaches journalism at the University of Colorado. "Obviously, I went to the district attorney for a reason, but let him have his day in court and let JonBenet have her day in court and let's see how it plays out."

Karr himself added to the mystery, telling The Associated Press in Bangkok that JonBenet's death was "not what it seems to be."

Asked what happened when JonBenet died, he said: "It would take several hours to describe that. It's a very involved series of events that would involve a lot of time. It's very painful for me to talk about it."

Karr's background includes an arrest in Petaluma, Calif., in April 2001 on five misdemeanor counts of possession of child pornography, to which he pleaded not guilty. He had not been seen by authorities after violating the terms of his release, which included avoiding child pornography and places where children congregate, such as schools, beaches and parks

Any previous relationship between Karr and the Ramseys remained a mystery Thursday, though both have ties to suburban Atlanta. District Attorney Lacy refused to discuss the case during a brief news conference and suggested Karr's arrest may have been forced by concern over public safety and fears the suspect might flee.

"There are circumstances that exist in any case that mandate an arrest before an investigation is complete," Lacy said.

Karr, 41, was arrested at a Bangkok apartment Wednesday, a day after he began teaching second grade at an international school, Lacy said.

Hours later, Thai authorities sat him before a crowded room of news crews. Karr stunned reporters by admitting: "I was with JonBenet when she died. Her death was an accident."

"I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," Karr told the AP.

Thai police said Karr told them the slaying was only second-degree murder. One expert suggested his confession was geared to spare him a first-degree murder charge.

"He seemed convinced that what he said would make him guilty of a lesser crime," said Sharon L. Davies, a former prosecutor at the Ohio State University law school who has studied confessions. "It's hard to understand how that would be the case and how the physical evidence that has been at least reported about her killing would support his description of this as an accident."

Legal experts said DNA evidence will likely be key: DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear and authorities have never said whether it matches anyone in an FBI database. U.S. and Thai officials did not directly answer a question at a news conference about whether there was DNA evidence connecting Karr to the crime.

Karr was given a mouth-swab DNA test in Bangkok, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. The results of that test were not immediately known. Karr will be given another DNA test when he returns to the United States in the next several days, the official said.

Karr will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security told reporters in Bangkok.

Lin Wood, the Ramsey family's longtime attorney in Atlanta, said Karr went to great lengths to conceal his identity in e-mails to the university professor, going so far as to use a computer server in Canada.

Asked if authorities could tell whether Karr had firsthand knowledge of the murder or had just picked up information from news accounts, Wood said: "There is information about the murder that has never been publicly disclosed." He did not elaborate.

Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, was quoted by San Francisco television station KGO saying she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing and she does not believe he was involved in the homicide.

Denver attorney Larry Pozner, past president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, said there were "serious questions" about the case.

"I hope we have found the murderer of JonBenet, but I have not heard the evidence that compels that conclusion," he said.

Karr's description of the case as an accident also rang false to experts.

"It's hard to imagine a more intentional, deliberate murder than hitting a little girl in the head so hard that she had almost a foot-long fracture in her skull and then deliberately fashioning a garrotte to twist until it buries in her neck and slowly stops her breathing," said Silverman, the former Denver prosecutor. "This has always been a case of deliberate murder."


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: 15minutesoffame; boulder; johnmarkkarr; jonbenetramsey; ramsey
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To: mystery-ak
I do believe the kidnapper could have been in the house for awhile and had access to Ramsey's personal finances.....therefore that person could know about the $118,000.00. That nutty note looked like it was not thought out. While some sicko was having sex with Jonbonet, an accomplice could have been snooping around and writing a note.
101 posted on 08/17/2006 9:55:35 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Rte66

Thanks. Unless they were estranged it would be extremely unusual for him not to be with them on Christmas Day. I cannot fathom a reason for her to lie. And there will be pictures too.


102 posted on 08/17/2006 9:58:10 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: tioga

actually, the note has some items in it that are very strange. the quote from "dirty harry", etc.


103 posted on 08/17/2006 10:05:25 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Valpal1

I'd hate for there not to be any pix, but it's always possible that with three little kids, Karr himself was the one taking photos and he's not in them.

However, it might be a larger family than we know about (I think it is) and perhaps others did take some snaps.


104 posted on 08/17/2006 10:26:10 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Mr. Brightside
Clearly, the confession is as flimsy as John Kerry and Michael Dukakis combined.

And the perv giving it is as narcissistic as Bill Clinton.

105 posted on 08/18/2006 2:08:05 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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To: nonliberal

I think he looks like a fruit.....and a dork. he looks like a mental patient, a real nutcase. I think it's a hoax. although he may actually believe he killed Jonbenet.


106 posted on 08/18/2006 2:13:05 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: gettheUNout

Unless he (not necessarily Karr) hid in the house for some hours and toured it while the family was out either during the day before the killing or at some earlier time. Then he wouldn't be unfamiliar. He also may have overheard conversation about the $118,000 bonus while hiding out. It's a big house and he may have hid in the basement.


107 posted on 08/18/2006 2:20:19 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: mystery-ak

He also told his father after the 2001 kiddie porn arrest that he had been arrested for the murder of Jonbenet.


108 posted on 08/18/2006 2:22:11 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: gettheUNout

I think he looks and moves like a total flaming fruit. I think he's a fruity fruitcake.

Whatever the case turns out to be, this could not be more bizarre.


109 posted on 08/18/2006 2:23:32 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

That or he feels the urge to kill a child and wants to stop himself?

I dunno.


110 posted on 08/18/2006 2:30:30 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle
Your theory makes sense.

And these subjects, in their own twisted minds do 'love' children, as they understand 'love'.
But, by time this investigation is completed, there will be a bunch of theory's, but your's will be in the top five.
111 posted on 08/18/2006 2:35:26 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: The Westerner

We refer to it as Christmas. We don't buy from any store that doesn't refer to it as Christmas, and we tell them so. That's not a lot of impact, but many of our friends do the same. If enough people expressed their principles through their wallets, we could make some headway. The other measure that can be taken is to write to your congressman and tell them you want the law changed that automatically gives attorney fees and costs to the ACLU everytime they successfully sue a school district or other government entity.


112 posted on 08/18/2006 2:45:44 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Valpal1

That's a bothersome question. There's no reason to lie unless she's worried about him being convicted and not being able to pay child support. She could also be mistaken, but that seems unlikely.


113 posted on 08/18/2006 2:47:55 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: oceanview

Greta is not buying the "confession".


114 posted on 08/18/2006 5:26:07 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

What's the Over/Under on the date for the announcement of a book deal by Michael Tracey (journalism professor at the University of Colorad)?


115 posted on 08/18/2006 6:10:59 AM PDT by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: Jezebelle

He looks like this scrawny little guy. I think he's nuts. I've adopted a wait-and-see attitude on this one.


116 posted on 08/18/2006 6:18:50 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Sacajaweau

If he did it, then a clever defense tactic might be to destroy his own credibility. The DA's case then hinges on 10 year old DNA evidence which he can bring in his own expert to refute. In a jury pool that mostly believes that a Ramsey did it, it could be enough to give him reasonable doubt.


117 posted on 08/18/2006 7:03:10 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: mystery-ak
I was really not paying very much attention to the reporting last night so I guess I missed it. Just chalk that up to the million other things I probably missed yesterday LOL!

Re: Your tag line. Thank your son for his service, bless him (and you) for serving the country we all love. Our military and their families are always in my prayers.

118 posted on 08/18/2006 1:17:48 PM PDT by CremeSaver (Prayers for our Israeli friends. They're going to need them, as will we.)
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To: Palladin
Thank you for the additional information. There is something about this whole situation that makes a person go hmmmm.... I like your last idea about going after Tracey. If something more wonky goes on he would have to be part of it, prosecute him.
119 posted on 08/18/2006 1:22:01 PM PDT by CremeSaver (Prayers for our Israeli friends. They're going to need them, as will we.)
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To: Homer1
Did he share those details with Karr, or was it the other way around? Hmmmm.... This gets curiouser and curiouser.
120 posted on 08/18/2006 1:25:05 PM PDT by CremeSaver (Prayers for our Israeli friends. They're going to need them, as will we.)
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