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To: Rain-maker
When I went in they made us dump our smokes and lightersin basic, that was back in 87 when the new no smoke policy went into effect. They used to let the 18-21 year olds get tanked on post with that 3.2 pistol beer. What a waste that was. IMO drunks, dopers, and smokers can stay civilians...times are changing and we need all the edge we can get.

We usually got 1 smoke and coke a day as it was called in basic. That was if everything went right. On Sunday it was a bit more lax and this was in 1976. Letting 18 years olds get tanked on 3.2 beer on base makes perfect sense. It's on base. They walk back to the ships or barracks usually a mile or more. Better to have them where they are safe than in town drinking much stronger stuff in illicit clubs. Base clubs were safe. Few fights, no weapons, and the riff raft con artist were kept out.

Times aren't changing. These things have been with us for a few thousand years. I speak from experience of a MED Cruise and a half of transporting drunk sailors from shore back to ship in port on liberty boats. The problem is being greatly overblown. Maybe twice a night on a carrier {meaning 5000 plus} one squid would have way too much and be a problem. You put a life jacket on the out of control drunk and did the following. You took 2 wire mesh stretchers placed him in it and tied it shut. Instant jail cell. You tied life jackets to the stretcher also. You took him back to ship and in a week or so he went to see the Captain who placed him on restriction to the ship for 45 days PLUS a mandatory ride along with Shore Patrol a few off nights to deal with the drunks. Most didn't repeat the offense.

It was just good old fashioned common sense and a good sailor was not lost due to PC. Next time he learned when to cut it off.

232 posted on 08/09/2006 1:57:25 PM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: cva66snipe
Studies already proved that smoking and drinking is a major problem and an increasing liability for the military.

I suggest you write the DOD that 18-21 years olds should have a right to chemically altered realities. Then post the response at Free Republic.


Smoking, Drinking On Rise In Military
Associated Press
March 9, 2004,

WASHINGTON - Cigarette smoking and heavy drinking are on the rise in the military, particularly among younger troops, and many in the armed forces report feeling stress in their work, a Pentagon health survey says.

Drug use, however, is holding steady far below the rate for civilians.

The survey identified what Pentagon officials called a sizable group of military members who are having problems with stress and mental health without necessarily seeking help. Almost half of the respondents said seeking mental health counseling probably or definitely would damage their careers.

The results released Monday are from a survey conducted in the fall of 2002, just before tens of thousands of troops deployed to the Persian Gulf in preparation for the invasion of Iraq.

Dr. William Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, told a Pentagon news conference that survey data was as yet unavailable to measure mental health conditions among the 120,000 or so American soldiers who spent the past 12 months at war in .

The Army has studied suicides, which rose sharply last July, as the toll on American troops rose from the insurgency, but later fell to levels similar to peacetime averages. It found that many suicides were associated with failures of personal relationships and financial problems.

Of the 12,756 troops who responded to the Pentagon's 2002 survey, conducted at 30 military installations worldwide, about one-third said they felt a lot of stress in their military duties. An additional 30 percent said they felt some stress.

The most frequently cited sources of stress for men were deployment (18.9 percent) and separation from family (18.7 percent); the women cited changes in personal life (21.4 percent), separation from family (21.2 percent) and deployment (19.6 percent). Injuries, illness and workplace accidents were twice as common among those who described themselves as stressed.

The survey found that 5 percent of all who participated said they had considered suicide or self-injury within the year prior to the survey, and it found that heavy users of alcohol had more problems with workplace stress than abstainers, by a margin of 40 percent to 30 percent.

In specific findings:

-The share of military members categorized as heavy drinkers (having five or more drinks on a single occasion at least once a week) rose to 18.1 percent from 15.4 percent in the previous survey in 1998. When the survey was first done in 1980 that figure was about 21 percent.

-Military personnel aged 18 to 25 showed significantly higher rates of heavy drinking (27.3%) than civilians (15.3%).

-Cigarette smoking rose from 30 percent in the 1998 survey to 34 percent in the latest survey. This was the first increase recorded in the seven times military members have been questioned on this since 1980. In that first survey 51 percent were smokers. In the civilian U.S. population, about 31 percent are smokers today, according to figures provided by the Pentagon.

About 30 percent said they had taken up smoking since joining the military. Last fall military medical authorities said they found in investigating 19 cases of severe pneumonia among soldiers in and around Iraq that most had taken up smoking shortly before falling ill.

-The percentage who reported use of illicit drugs was 3.4 percent, up from 2.7 percent in 1998 but not a statistically significant change, according to Robert M. Bray of RTI International, which conducted the survey under contract to the Pentagon. He said the 3.4 percent for the military compares with about 12 percent for the civilian population of the United States.

-Forty-one percent of women said they were under a great deal or a fairly large amount of stress stemming from being a woman in the military. Women in the Navy had the highest rate (49 percent), followed by women in the Army (46 percent), Marine Corps (44 percent) and Air Force (31 percent).

In measuring overall job satisfaction, 65 percent indicated they were either satisfied or very satisfied with their current assignment. Satisfaction was highest in the Air Force (72 percent) and lowest in the Army (61 percent). Males and females indicated similar levels of satisfaction.

Survey results in full: http://www.tricare.osd.mil/main/news/art0514.html

237 posted on 08/09/2006 2:13:57 PM PDT by Rain-maker
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