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Duke Case: Failure of Procedure
newsmax ^ | Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2006 | Susan Estrich

Posted on 08/09/2006 9:18:34 AM PDT by flixxx

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To: Hogeye13
Nonsense. On March 29th, Nifong went on national TV and said he believed Precious was raped because she had vaginal trauma.
And no, he didn't have the reports, but he was calling her vaginal swelling as vaginal trauma before the memo.
201 posted on 08/10/2006 8:13:58 AM PDT by jennyd
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To: Neverforget01

A lesson from experience in a civil suit. There are few Henry Fondas on juries. The managing partner in a big Boston Law firm told me that he hated jury trials when he has a winning case, because he still had a 30% chance of losing almost regardless of the facts - so long as the judge did not indicate a directed verdict. On the other hand he loved them when he had a losing case, since he still had a 30% chance of winning, when he really shouldn't.
Sobering statistics since they are not far from a coin flip!


202 posted on 08/10/2006 8:15:34 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Hogeye13
You are completely missing the point. Nifong was talking about the evidence he didn't have. He claimed Precious had vaginal trauma when he went on Abrams on March 29th. He didn't have the report then, and he didn't have it on April 4th either.
Again, Nifong was running his mouth pretending he had evidence he did not have.
203 posted on 08/10/2006 8:21:05 AM PDT by jennyd
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To: jennyd

You are missing the point. On April 4 to the police officer he said "trauma". The only thing a witness could testify to is something that they could visibly see and recognize. There is not a snowballs chance in a hot frying pan that any witness they could drum up could testify to vaginal trauma. Nifong lied about a lot of things publicly but to the officer he did not lie. He wanted witnesses to the trauma that he saw on the FA when they first met. If it was there before the party he had to come up with an explanation of how it got there. Since he could not have seen the reports he could only go on what he had visibly observed. I doubt that he did a pelvic exam when he saw the FA.


204 posted on 08/10/2006 8:56:50 AM PDT by Hogeye13
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To: xoxoxox
** The FBI might just want to open a permanent office in Durham. **

Why? If they move as slowly as the HUD officials have since 2000 another $3 million or so can end up being unaccounted for.

HUD awarded Durham the $35 million grant in 2000 to tear down the Few Gardens public housing complex and replace it with 425 new East Durham homes. Of that, $5.3 million was budgeted to help the more than 200 families that would be displaced so they could qualify for federally backed mortgages to buy new Hope VI homes.

More than $3 million in grant money was spent, but The N&O reported in April that the authority had lost track of the majority of the families it was supposed to help and that only eight residents completed the required homeownership classes.

What does $3 million divided by 8 come out to be?

205 posted on 08/10/2006 9:32:29 AM PDT by I want to know
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To: Hogeye13

Nifong saw trauma that the nurses could not see?


206 posted on 08/10/2006 9:44:48 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Carling

You missed the point entirely.


207 posted on 08/10/2006 9:48:23 AM PDT by paddles
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To: ltc8k6

No, he saw trauma that happened after the nurses saw her. The trauma was there when the FA went to UNC the next day. You know what pimps do to a hooker when the hooker loses the pimps money. The B/F--pimp was not alone with her until after the FA left Duke.


208 posted on 08/10/2006 9:57:39 AM PDT by Hogeye13
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To: Hogeye13
Oh please.
Nifong clearly meant vaginal trauma.
Witnesses were supposed to rule out activities that could have resulted in that vaginal trauma.
209 posted on 08/10/2006 9:57:47 AM PDT by jennyd
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To: Hogeye13

There is not a shred of evidence of anything of the sort, except in your imagination, and that of her father.


210 posted on 08/10/2006 9:58:30 AM PDT by jennyd
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To: abb

But if you avoid CTV, you miss Candy Kisses yelling at you.


211 posted on 08/10/2006 10:11:35 AM PDT by writmeister
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To: jennyd

I suppose it was also in Dan Abrams imagination as well when he reported the injuries she had at UNC hospital. She didn't have them at Duke less than 12 hours before. Where did she get them? You are the one that does not have a shred of evidence to back you position. Again, I REPEAT, Nifong said trauma, not vaginal trauma. If he had said vaginal trauma the officer would have written it down.


212 posted on 08/10/2006 10:12:40 AM PDT by Hogeye13
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To: Hogeye13
What injuries? When did Abrams "reported" those?
And WTF her activities as an escort service employee would have with those "injuries"?
Nifong wanted to investigate how an escort service does business.
Geez.
213 posted on 08/10/2006 10:15:00 AM PDT by jennyd
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To: I want to know

A very nice house anywhere in North Carolina!!


214 posted on 08/10/2006 10:18:09 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: flixxx
Nets Ignore Cynthia McKinney Entourage's Election Night Meltdown

For those that haven't heard, McKinney's campaign entourage now includes members of the New Black Panthers. After her primary defeat Tuesday to Hank Johnson for Georgia's 4th Congressional district, some of these folks went on a bit of a rampage referring to white reporters as "crackers," calling her opponent an "Uncle Tom," blaming her loss on Israel, and shouting anti-Semitic epithets at a Jewish reporter.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1681096/posts

215 posted on 08/10/2006 10:26:02 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: jennyd

What is so difficult for you to understand the pimp/hooker business? It is really simple, you don't bring home the money, you take a beating. It has always been that way. She was expected to earn a lot more money than $400 at that party. Tips should have earned her twice that much. She lost her $400 and didn't get any tips either. She was in double trouble.


216 posted on 08/10/2006 10:26:02 AM PDT by Hogeye13
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To: Hogeye13
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that Nifong meant vaginal trauma? He wanted to find out what activities she engaged in before the party to rule out vaginal trauma could have been caused by these activities?
This fantasy about pimp beating her is not supported by any medical evidence. Why wasn't Nifong talking about her being physically beat up?
If she was in fact physically beat up and claimed it was a result of a rape?
217 posted on 08/10/2006 10:42:02 AM PDT by jennyd
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To: Hogeye13

What is really funny about this certainty that Nifong was talking about vaginal swelling is our discussion on the previous thread about how one would know enough to testify that someone else did not have vaginal swelling! My wife keeps me more informed about herself than I care to hear sometimes. But I certainly could not testify as to whether she had vaginal swelling before she went to a certain party.

Who could Nifong have been looking for to testify. I know the use of the sex toy says she well may have had vaginal swelling, but say for a moment she had not used a sex toy or had not had sex with anyone that day. Could someone who was with her then testify she did not have vaginal swelling? Heck given her profession, refusal to use a sex toy or have sex with her driver might be talem as evidence of soreness and swelling? But the use of the toy and sex with the driver does not rule out varginal swelling nor does it rule out that either caused swelling.

On the other hand as we have discussed, I would certainly know if my wife had a swollen jaw or a cut on the head etc before she went to a certain party. And that is something I could testify to.

Alas I am probably stirring up the certain again with this post. As I have said, I am happy to let the certain continue to be certain, but I am not willing to change my view without further evidence and by that I do not me MSM outlets ignoring the trip to UNC ER.


218 posted on 08/10/2006 10:44:49 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Hogeye13

She didn't have any trauma at UNC, either. She went there as a private matter for neck pain.


219 posted on 08/10/2006 10:45:25 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6
Most likely to score some more flexeril.
220 posted on 08/10/2006 10:48:54 AM PDT by jennyd
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